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  • aldo5408
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    Chris Algeri has only been getting 50%

    Chris Algieri turned professional in 2008, and for the better part of the next six years, despite 19 wins in succession without a loss, was one of the thousands of anonymous boxers who was fueled more by a dream than by massive paychecks.

    The largest purse Algieri made in his first 19 bouts was $15,000 for a difficult bout on ESPN2’s “Friday Night Fights” against Emmanuel Taylor on Feb. 2, 2014.

    Algieri had developed a nice following in the New York metropolitan area and routinely sold out the Paramount Theater when he fought.

    Given taxes, training expenses and what he needed to pay his team, he barely was above the poverty line.

    But 2014 was the year that life changed dramatically for Algieri, a slick boxer who dreams of one day becoming a doctor.

    The win over Taylor earned him an HBO bout against Ruslan Provodnikov and a career-high purse of $115,000. An upset win there enabled him to hit the jackpot, a $1.67 million purse to fight Manny Pacquiao in Macau on Nov. 23, 2014.

    Getting the bout was a win not only for Algieri but for his long-time promoter Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing. Most shows, DeGuardia said, lose money and the majority of the money for a promoter comes when he has a fighter reach the big-time.

    “All the money is at the top,” DeGuardia said. “I wouldn’t recommend to anyone to just get into boxing to promote club shows unless you really love it and want to be around it, because there isn’t money in that.”

    Algieri recently signed a deal to fight the highly regarded Errol Spence Jr. on April 16 at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn in a Premier Boxing Champions show on NBC.

    Algieri, who declined to tell Yahoo Sports his purse for the bout against Spence, said he asked DeGuardia for the disclosure information per The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act that fighters in matches of 10 rounds or more are required to get from their promoters.

    The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act was signed by former President Bill Clinton and went into law on May 26, 2000.

    It has three purposes, according to Section 3 of the law:

    • (1) To protect the rights and welfare of professional boxers on an interstate basis by preventing certain exploitive, oppressive, and unethical business practices;

    • (2) to assist State boxing commissions in their efforts to provide more effective public oversight of the sport; and

    • (3) to promote honorable competition in professional boxing and enhance the overall integrity of the industry.

    DeGuardia, Algieri said, declined to give him that information. He’ll eventually get it since it’s required by law, and will likely be delivered on the day before the fight at the weigh-in.

    “I’ve been having problems for some time,” Algieri said. “This fight offer that’s come up, I’ve been asking for certain information regarding the terms and conditions of the Spence bout and the bout agreement and [DeGuardia] is not willing to divulge. He’s been willing to do that in the past, in past fights. It kind of raised a red flag for me.

    “It’s strange that information I’ve been privy to in the past and that’s going to come out anyway because I’m entitled to it under the Muhammad Ali Act, he’s not giving it to me when I asked for it explicitly.”

    The Ali Act was designed to provide greater transparency for boxers so they can more fairly negotiate their purses for fights, providing them an insight into the revenues a promoter makes.

    According to Section 13, paragraph b, subsection 1 of the act, a promoter must disclose to a fighter “the amounts of any compensation or consideration that a promoter has contracted to receive from such match.”[
    Chris Algieri (HBO) “I’ve been on the side of getting 50 percent deals in the past four. And I said to him in the very recent past that I’m not fighting at 50-50 anymore.”[/B]
    DeGuardia was reticent to discuss Algieri’s complaints because he said he didn’t want to get into a public back-and-forth with his fighter.

    He said he’d reached this deal with Algieri for the Spence fight last year. To his recollection, it was in October or November that they came to terms on it.

    Algieri for his last three fights was co-promoted by Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions. Pelullo promotes Provodnikov, and he demanded options on Algieri in order to make Provodnikov-Algieri.

    Unable to get a high-profile bout on HBO otherwise, Algieri agreed. When he defeated Provodnikov, Pelullo became his co-promoter for bouts against Pacquiao, Amir Khan on May 29, 2015, and Bone.

    Algieri told Yahoo Sports he took the Bone bout to finish his obligation to Pelullo, and that it was his understanding that from that point forward, all purses were to be negotiated separately between he and DeGuardia.

    DeGuardia told Yahoo Sports he negotiated the deal as a package and that Algieri had agreed.

    “I am in and I intend to continue to be in 100 percent compliance with the Ali Act with every one of my fighters, Chris included,” DeGuardia said. “But in this case, it’s absolutely irrelevant. We negotiated this fight in October or November. I’m not sure exactly when but it was in that time frame. I say it’s irrelevant because we both agreed and came to a deal.”

    Lou DiBella of DiBella Entertainment promoted the Algieri-Bone bout and will promote the upcoming Spence-Algieri match. He said he made a provision of services agreement with DeGuardia to acquire Algieri for each of the fights, but said DeGuardia is Algieri's promoter.

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    DiBella essentially negotiated a deal with DeGuardia for DeGuardia to provide Algieri's services for a fight card that DiBella was promoting. In addition to money, promoters typically negotiate for hotel rooms and tickets and other such items in these deals. The other promoter, in this case DeGuardia, pays his fighter (in this case Algieri) out of the money he made from the provision of services agreement.

    "I have the same kind of provision of services agreement with Joe for these fights as I would do for any other promoter," DiBella said. "I'm not getting into the middle of this because it's not my issue. But from DiBella Entertainment's standpoint, there were no issues or uncertainty. Very simply, Joe got money in a provision of services agreement the way promoters get it all the time."

    A solution to such a dilemma would be for the Ali Act to be amended and clarify when promoters are required to make their disclosure, but there is no momentum in Congress to re-examine the law.

    Boxing isn’t a high priority in Congress, particularly not in a presidential election year with many other thorny issues.

    But it’s difficult on fighters like Algieri, who said he feels fighters at his level deserve more than half of the revenue.

    “I feel I should be getting considerably more than [50/50],” Algieri said. “I know from other fighters and other managers in the sport, and this is public from articles written, that fighters have gotten as much as 70 to 80 percent. People pay to watch us, as fighters, fight. They don’t pay to watch negotiations, or to see someone promote
  • -Kev-
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    But then you see fans talking about $500k is good. Like $500k is what they're going to see in their bank account.

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      Everyones favorite reddit nerd back at it again

      Chris Algieri Should Sue Haymon, DeGuardia and Pellulo self.Boxing
      submitted an hour ago by jimwilson128

      This recent article about Chris Algieri by Kevin Iole is disgusting. This is EXACTLY the kind of situation the Ali Act should protect fighters from. Algieri should sue his promoter, Joe DeGuardia, his so-called manager, Al Haymon, and Artie Pellulo. Kevin Iole should be drawn and quartered for not once mentioning Al Haymon's name and his irredeemable conflict of interest.
      To be more specific:
      (1) DeGuardia: While the Ali Act can technically be read to mean that a promoter doesn't have to disclose how much money he contracted for until the last moment before he receives that compensation, I highly doubt a court will agree with that ridiculous interpretation. It makes the requirement useless. If a promoter has made a contract for the fighter and won't tell the fighter the amount when he asks, I think a court would find him in violation of the Ali Act. It seems to me that this provision acknowledges the reality of business - purses are often negotiated before the promoter can agree to a deal with, for example, the network because you have a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation. Additionally, for something like the tickets or a PPV, the promoter won't actually know the amount in advance. However, to twist this common sense ****ing rule to mean that a promoter can wait until the day of the fight when he knew the amount before the purse was negotiated and the promoter refused to tell the fighter is ****ing absurd. No way a judge sides with the promoter. None.
      (2) Haymon: How is not mentioned anywhere in this article that Al Haymon is Chris Algieri's manager and his TV series, PBC, is the entity paying the rights fee!!! Al Haymon knows exactly how much money Joe DeGuardia is getting paid. HAYMON is supposed to negotiate Algieri's purse with DeGuardia! Aside from the fact that he's sitting on both sides of the negotiating table, Haymon could easily give Algieri the information he's looking for. What the ever living ****. Haymon has a fiduciary duty to Algieri and he is not coming anywhere close to meeting it. You wanted to know my problem with Haymon? THIS.
      (3) Pellulo: Options are limited under the Ali Act to a one year period. Pellulo clearly went beyond that one year period. Sue that mother****er too.
      Here's the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chris-a...53-boxing.html
      Apologies for the language. I'm fired up right now. I'd represent this guy for free if I could.

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        Originally posted by aldo5408
        Everyones favorite reddit nerd back at it again

        Chris Algieri Should Sue Haymon, DeGuardia and Pellulo self.Boxing
        submitted an hour ago by jimwilson128

        This recent article about Chris Algieri by Kevin Iole is disgusting. This is EXACTLY the kind of situation the Ali Act should protect fighters from. Algieri should sue his promoter, Joe DeGuardia, his so-called manager, Al Haymon, and Artie Pellulo. Kevin Iole should be drawn and quartered for not once mentioning Al Haymon's name and his irredeemable conflict of interest.
        To be more specific:
        (1) DeGuardia: While the Ali Act can technically be read to mean that a promoter doesn't have to disclose how much money he contracted for until the last moment before he receives that compensation, I highly doubt a court will agree with that ridiculous interpretation. It makes the requirement useless. If a promoter has made a contract for the fighter and won't tell the fighter the amount when he asks, I think a court would find him in violation of the Ali Act. It seems to me that this provision acknowledges the reality of business - purses are often negotiated before the promoter can agree to a deal with, for example, the network because you have a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation. Additionally, for something like the tickets or a PPV, the promoter won't actually know the amount in advance. However, to twist this common sense ****ing rule to mean that a promoter can wait until the day of the fight when he knew the amount before the purse was negotiated and the promoter refused to tell the fighter is ****ing absurd. No way a judge sides with the promoter. None.
        (2) Haymon: How is not mentioned anywhere in this article that Al Haymon is Chris Algieri's manager and his TV series, PBC, is the entity paying the rights fee!!! Al Haymon knows exactly how much money Joe DeGuardia is getting paid. HAYMON is supposed to negotiate Algieri's purse with DeGuardia! Aside from the fact that he's sitting on both sides of the negotiating table, Haymon could easily give Algieri the information he's looking for. What the ever living ****. Haymon has a fiduciary duty to Algieri and he is not coming anywhere close to meeting it. You wanted to know my problem with Haymon? THIS.
        (3) Pellulo: Options are limited under the Ali Act to a one year period. Pellulo clearly went beyond that one year period. Sue that mother****er too.
        Here's the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chris-a...53-boxing.html
        Apologies for the language. I'm fired up right now. I'd represent this guy for free if I could.
        Since when was Haymon Algieri's manager?

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        • Picazo
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          Compared to MMA fighters these guys are making BANK!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Kagami Taiga
            Since when was Haymon Algieri''s manager?
            He's not that idiot just hates Haymon

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            • stephenmc
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              So is Algeri been fcked out of money then by his promoter??
              I didnt really get it ha :\

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                #8
                Originally posted by aldo5408
                He's not that idiot just hates Haymon
                I've never heard anything about it. People need to stop listening to that idiot.

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                • aldo5408
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                  Originally posted by stephenmc
                  So is Algeri been fcked out of money then by his promoter??
                  I didnt really get it ha :\
                  So what's going on is that his opponents promoter Dibella or Arum have been paying DaGuardia for the right to use Algeria as an opponent. deGuardia only gives chris 50% for example let's say dibella paid deguardia 1M to fight khan. DaGuardia keeps half and gives Chris half. When the promoters cut is usually 27% chris says that for his last few fights deguardia is splitting 50/50 with him

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                    Originally posted by Kagami Taiga
                    I've never heard anything about it. People need to stop listening to that idiot.
                    Hes the dude that said Haymon is running out of money and that he knows everything cause hes a real lawyer

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