who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

USADA banned IV re-hydration in MMA after the may 2 fight. So much for comsistency.


http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/8/...ation-mma-news

So much for being consistent aye. USADA at the forefront of catching cheaters alright.. It's only Floyd who is above the system aye..

[Rath]

USADA banned IV re-hydration in MMA after the may 2 fight. So much for comsistency.


http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/8/...ation-mma-news

So much for being consistent aye. USADA at the forefront of catching cheaters alright.. It's only Floyd who is above the system aye..

but but but IV is legal in nevada so what's USADA point here.

[Rath]

1. Show me proof that Mayweather hired Memo. Until then, don't talk to me.

2. "Oscar was able achieved a great physical condition during his training. I am a witness that he did not have problems with his weight and he was not dried out from the vapors [of a sauna]. During that time he had a nutritionist by his side who took charge of his weight and diet." --Nacho Beristain.

3. You are an idiot that I've told repeatedly to buzz off. I've kicked your corpse around this forum enough and it's not worth doing it anymore.

lame spin and deflection technique applied again by a genius floyd fan.

[ADP02]

Just wanted to point somethings out to see what you think of them.

You place a lot of weight on NSAC's physicians, yet you in the same breath agree that they would allow a dehydrated fighter to fight. You said they stated Floyd was not dehydrated, but I've never seen that statement from them. You only refer to his blood pressure and heart rate. I've already shown:

Dehydration and unusual thirst:
Dehydration can sometimes cause blood pressure to drop. However, dehydration does not automatically signal low blood pressure.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...p#.Vsr9vMe1LS4

But I wanted to point out what NSAC's website says about dehydration:
"Dehydration negatively impacts performance significantly when the body water deficit is > 2% body weight."
http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ation10-08.pdf

However, perhaps we should take that NSAC quotation with a grain of salt. The point I've been trying to make clear is that you can't base your evidence that Floyd wasn't dehydrated on the NSAC, who doesn't care if he is dehydrated or not.

If you don't believe me, take your savior Thomas Hauser's words for it regarding Nevada State Atheletics Commissions medical practices:

"The NSAC sometimes licenses fighters who are in poor physical condition. They allow mismatches to take place."

He claims the NSAC as of 2006 didn't deal with "phony medicals and false statements."

"If NSAC spent as much time and effort promoting good medical care for fighters as it does on spinning facts, boxing in Nevada would be a much safer sport."

"Does the NSAC care about fighter safety, or does it just want big fights to happen?"

I'm trying to make it clear that your "evidence" that Floyd couldn't have been dehydrated based on the NSAC physical can't be taken seriously. Do you understand? Floyd didn't declare it to them. Obviously he wanted the fight to go on. He's always stated that boxers always have a myriad of problems before fights, and yes it is true he doesn't declare them. Honestly, I applaud him for that. No excuses.

The point that you are not getting is that the NSAC physician checks for dehydration. If it finds the athlete to be excessively dehydrated it will be certainly noted and then either make a decision by the physician alone or more than likely have a discussion with the athlete occurs. That is what happened even with Manny once they found out that he had an injury. "Can you fight in that condition?" This is important because it takes some of the blame away from the NSAC and puts it on the athlete.

You bring up Manny and say "See?" but its much easier and more common to find out about severe dehydration than the extent of a shoulder injury. Even when they knew about Manny they said "We don't know enough".

You bring up Manny and say "See?" but remember that they had started an investigation on Manny for those things that YOU just equated to what Floyd did too!!! That is one of my points and probably my biggest point. So then the question is, "Shouldn't Floyd then also have been investigated?" YOU SAID THEY ARE SIMILAR, so you must agree, right?



You took a quote from a website but didn't think that through. Just think about it. All its saying is, if you go exercise a bit, you perspire, meaning lose some fluids, do not expect that it automatically means that your blood pressure would be considered low.
That is not what happens nor is it what Floyd has to claim in order to get an IV. Floyd needs to be severely dehydrated. Or else, hydrating orally would always be suggested. Why? Because taking it the way he did was under the prohibited list.

Since you are looking, you would see that Floyd's blood pressure would have been considered even better than normal. Optimal!!!

Now like you know, factor and combine all my points and one would realize easily that Floyd was nowhere near to being severely dehydrated. Not even close!


I get it. The only reason that you are putting up with Floyd's BS is because you are a fan of his. If it was Manny for example, all it would take is for Manny to even mention that "Giving blood will affect me" and you would call him out. Now imagine if you COMBINE that line that now Floyd is also using and everything else that we have on Floyd but it was Manny? You would crucify Manny.

I'm still waiting for your evidence to show me that Floyd was severely dehydrated. Also please answer the question I highlighted in red. You need to give me something here as I have given you plenty to chew on.


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[ADP02]

You're wasting your time talking to travestNY that guy has loose screws bud. He won't get you even if his life depended on it. Choose your battles bud. Logic and common sense is not his strong suit. Floyd divk riding is lol

# the polls have it! Froid exploited the system and ran away with 200 million worth of cash. Legendary heist.

You may be right on this one Spoon. I'm still waiting for what I thought would be a mountain of evidence that Floyd was severely dehydrated. Unfortunately for TravestyNY, he is having lots of trouble finding it. I'm a patient guy. Lets see what he turns up next.

[travestyny]

You bring up Manny and say "See?" but remember that they had started an investigation on Manny for those things that YOU just equated to what Floyd did too!!! That is one of my points and probably my biggest point. So then the question is, "Shouldn't Floyd then also have been investigated?" YOU SAID THEY ARE SIMILAR, so you must agree, right?

I'm still waiting for your evidence to show me that Floyd was severely dehydrated. Also please answer the question I highlighted in red. You need to give me something here as I have given you plenty to chew on.


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I've answered your question many times. I'm going to try to answer it again.

Let's start with your question in red. You are asking if Floyd should be investigated? For what and by whom? I imagine you mean by the NSAC. You just admit plenty of times yourself that the NSAC would allow a fighter who is dehydrated to fight. Why in the hell would they investigate him then? Do you expect that a fighter that wants to go along with a fight will declare himself to be dehydrated during the pre-fight physical? What would be the point if it's just up to him if he will go on with the fight or not, as you clearly stated. Do you expect NSAC would say "Ok, we will put it in our records that you are dehydrated but allow you to fight, so if this turns out badly, you can blame it all on us." That's an asinine assertion. It is clear that the NSAC does not care if a fighter is dehydrated, which I've shown many times and which you've also implied. Also, wouldn't it be NSAC putting themselves under fire if their so called physical that checks for the condition didn't come up with anything. Come on. It's ****** to even think they would investigate Floyd. Keep in mind that Floyd didn't use dehydration for an excuse about his performance. NO ONE WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIS DEHYDRATION IF IT WASN'T FOR USADA, WHO COULD HAVE EASILY LOOKED THE OTHER WAY BUT (THOUGH THEY WERE PAID OFF APPARENTLY) SOMEHOW DECIDED NOT TO. Again, that makes no sense.

Your second question on proof that he was severely dehydrated:

You still seem to misunderstand who has the burden of proof. I've explained this over and over to you, but you don't get it. You just claim that you've proven he wasn't dehydrated with only one medical record to support your claim. Mind you, I've already listed a quotation that states dehydration doesn't always signal low blood pressure. Mind you, we both agree that even if the NSAC checks for dehydration, it doesn't do anything to note it. Did NSAC say he wasn't dehydrated? I'd like to read that quotation. You said they found nothing, but at the same time you said if they did, they would ask him if he could go on. Please find for me their statement that says he was not dehydrated. From your own logic, it's also possible that they found him to be dehydrated but allowed him to go on at his own behest. Do you disagree with that?

What you are still missing is that the DCO and USADA were actually present to witness his condition and they made the decision. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR PAPERWORK, THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT YOU CAN PROVE HE WAS NOT DEHYDRATED.

However, if you have definitive proof (which you do not), how were you the only one to figure it out? Why did Pacquaio drop his idea to appeal?

"Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao will no longer file an appeal with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) following Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s reported use of intravenous (IV) treatment to counter dehydration for their bout last May."
http://www.balitangamerica.tv/pacqui...-case-to-nsac/

I'll tell you why....
THERE IS NO PROOF!!!

Clear enough?

[travestyny]

You may be right on this one Spoon. I'm still waiting for what I thought would be a mountain of evidence that Floyd was severely dehydrated. Unfortunately for TravestyNY, he is having lots of trouble finding it. I'm a patient guy. Lets see what he turns up next.

Burden of Proof definition
Burden of proof can define the duty placed upon a party to prove or disprove a disputed fact, or it can define which party bears this burden. The onus, or burden, of proof begins with the plaintiff, pursuer or prosecutor who has set the action in motion.

Pacquaio's advisors: We got nothing.

[travestyny]

USADA banned IV re-hydration in MMA after the may 2 fight. So much for comsistency.


http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/8/...ation-mma-news

So much for being consistent aye. USADA at the forefront of catching cheaters alright.. It's only Floyd who is above the system aye..

What Mayweather did was not allowed without a TUE.

Don't know what article you are pointing to, since this shows nothing, but it still stands that you would need a TUE to use a certain amount of legal fluid through IV.

So you added nothing because...you're an idiot. Go play in traffic.

[PeasantCrusha]

I have always said it...To see Cotto and Clottey looking godsmacked in the ring by a once 105lb fighter at 147lbs was all I needed. NO VADA etc.

CommonFckinSense.

#WarPeds

[travestyny]

lame spin and deflection technique applied again by a genius floyd fan.

I've embarrassed you so many times. Still waiting for the proof that he hired Memo. Shouldn't you be working on solidifying your red corner, blue corner conspiracy?

Rath, you really are undeniably an idiot. Even more so than Spoon. He at least aborts mission and talks about red and green squares when he's outmatched. He runs away, then brings up posters' names to other posters. He's undeniably a b*tch. You are just undeniably ******. I feel sorry for you, and for that reason I've been telling you not to respond to me. You should listen.