who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

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1. What did Floyd lie about? He said he was dehydrated. Manny blatantly lied!

Pacquiao: “We wanted a shot for numbing the shoulder but we respect the decision of the Commission it was getting better and better but was still not 100 per cent.

Pacquiao, “No, I don’t have pain or injury before the fight. I just want to make sure that whatever happened, I’m still there. I’m not saying I’m not 100 percent condition.”

a) Lets say Manny lied. He initially said he was and then later said he wasn't injured. That is your take on this. Well, think for a second why would Manny lie? Manny was concerned with
AA) Getting in trouble with NSAC and that pre-fight form mistake
AB) People wanted to sue Manny.

SO even if Manny lied, to go from Manny lying about when the injury started to not having an injury is a stretch considering that Manny was already using the drugs and its on the pre-fight form. His doctor was interviewed and said they performed surgery on a "significant tear". Could the doctor have lied? Sure but then why the meds? Also, remember that Manny was out for a while after the surgery. Plus, if you read below, he was quite consistent with how he explained it all when Kobe Bryant was injured.


b) Going by personal experience, I know plenty of times where I recovered from an injury but I would still apply some meds or cream prior to an event. Its a precaution.

c) Again, perhaps Manny felt better at that point in time, but his doctor, who saw the MRI, knew that it was not healed (not 100%) or at least thought it would still be advisable to take the shots.

d) Manny used the drugs during training. So perhaps he didn't feel pain that he would have without the drugs.


Floyd lied:
- Giving urine contributed to his dehydration.
- Giving blood 10 days earlier contributed to his dehydration.
- Pre-fight form, Floyd was fine then after drinking, he said he was extremely dehydrated...... According to NSAC that is called perjury .... I know, in Nevada, that is only true for the opponent named Manny, not the Nevada hometown fighter named Floyd.
- Floyd said he was extremely dehydrated so he used an IV. You believe that?
- According to Floyd, Dr Ariza is the doctor who helped Floyd resolve his dehydration problems ... so who is this doctor who signed the TUE?
- Floyd boasted just after getting the IV that he does not get drained and needs to rehydrate like those other guys that go back up 15 20lbs. Floyd says he walks around 147-150 and then said 148/149).So why the IV Floyd? HA

2. ... I told you that what you need is Floyd's medical records.

How come you didn't need all the information to declare that Manny was not injured? Isn't that speculation?

“I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”

Sea salt was to heal the wound not the surgery!!!

I already told you what Roach said:
“I talked to one of the doctor’s over there who’s doing the rehab on it. He told me everything’s going fine,” Roach said to Fighthype. “The salt water is just a [expletive] story. The [expletive] kid [Pacquiao] has a sense of humor. When he’s injury free, we’ll fight again. I don’t know when that’ll be. In three to six months, I’m hoping, but I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. I can’t really tell you.”

The video: THIS IS 3 MONTHS AFTER THE SURGERY!!!

Shooting a few hoops is different than actual competitive action. Right? But read below, doctor explains it.

A video with Paulie Malignaggi! lol Thanks for the joke!

That's right, between 9 months and a year. NOT 3 MONTHS!!!! Arum didn't even know how to spin this bull****!

“He seems like he's fine…physically,” Arum told the Telegraph UK. "The doctor here was amazed when he saw pictures of his movement and everything…The doctor says he's got to see it himself.”

Sounds like the good doctor was almost in disbelief! He couldn't even lie and go on record saying the doctor has seen such recovery before. Come on, man. This is bull**** at it's lowest and even Arum can't do anything with it.

The doctor knows that elite athletes play with injuries. So here is " the same doctor discussing Kobe Bryant on the possibility to even play with a full tear (with pain killers). Plus saying that with a partial tear, he could come back and actually play competitively after 3 months time!!!

So that throws out everything you said.


How would you advise him(Kobe)?

“It really comes down to, can you perform with a rotator cuff tear at that level? The pain is going to force him to do something, surgery or not. … With competitive athletes, they’re nuts and they’re driven. I would expect him, even if it’s surgically, to fix it and try to perform again. The psyche of an elite athlete, they’re warriors. They jump back into battle.”

Could he play without surgery?

“The real question is, what does the MRI show in how significant it is? … He would basically have to have conditioning exercises, extra care for the muscles, anti-inflammatory medicine and maybe cortisone shots to help with the pain. But to perform at that level, even a partial tear may sideline him.

“We operate on partial tears, too. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.”



“If he plays with a full tear, where the tendon is actually detached, and the tendon stays detached for too long, it can alter the fact that you can fix it later. … We say with these things, we have about a year’s window to fix it. Then sometimes you can’t do that.

“But if he has a partial thickness tear that he can play through, he’s not going to do any long-term damage.”


So the doctor is telling you that you are not right. Sorry.

"According to the website for Premiere Orthopaedic & Sports Medicine, patients, at the three to six month mark post-surgery, are barely starting to re-strengthen the muscles in the affected area after the mandatory period of rest and inactivity. Dr. Surena Namdari of the Rothman Institute told Sports Illustrated that it would likely be six months before Manny could even begin the physical rehabilitation process."

I explained it all above.

ha. Are you serious?? This is such desperation on your part. You are comparing knowing if a person complained about dehydration when he is away from cameras at his home to a person complaining about a full thickness rotator cuff tear DURING A BOXING MATCH IN FRONT OF MILLIONS???! Wowwwww...

Floyd drank after the weigh in. So if he was extremely dehydrated, he was more so BEFORE the weigh in. Floyd wrote nothing on the pre-fight form. Secondly, the vital signs, and everything else that has already been said to you show no signs of significant dehydration. Studies, USADA, NSAC and so on also state that with Floyd's weight being relatively stable, Floyd was not dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

You have NOTHING that points to the contrary!!! That is WOW! But with Manny, you didn't even need an MRI or anything to prove that Manny was NOT injured ....... WOW!!!

Stop. He mentioned it before rounds 3, 4, and 6? This is your claim? Can you prove that? Already told you about how the doctor's findings don't add up with Pac's, so we can stop discussing the doctor. As for the drugs, yes, he mentioned he wanted some toradol. I never seen USADA question why. They said it's not illegal, he wanted it, they likely just said ok.

Not sure what your point is here. My belief is that Manny meant to say round 4 because that is when he backed up after a flurry.

Did the doctor believe he should be completely healed in 3 months?

Bull****. There is no way he would be completely healed in 3 months and you know it. There is visual proof of him looking 100%, there is his own statements saying he is fine, there is him saying it is a MIRACLE, and there are many doctor testimonies out there saying he should not have been recovered anywhere close to 3 months. Yea, ok. You believe this clown?

Like I already said, its different shooting a few hoops and game play action.

and yes! That is what the doctor explained when he explained it for Kobe. It depends on the degree of the tear and how and where its torn. For Kobe, he stated that he could have even tried with a full tear but not at the same level, naturally .... so to point out, you got this all wrong and more importantly, this is way more complicated than dehydration!!!

hahaha. Roach lied and you know it. We have the quotation straight from Manny's mouth!

“I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”

You can't spin his own words!!!

Already explained. Roach said that he did have rehab for the surgery not the wounds you see in the pictures. Manny just didn't go to USA for his rehab.

On my side, numerous doctors saying this surgery is not overcome in 3 months, and video evidence of Pac miraculously (his own words) overcoming this supposed surgery in 3 months.

Guess what? You lose.

Guess what? You lose again!

[ADP02]

Yet Roach says it was he and Pac's fault for the first negotiations because of blood testing. No matter what you think and troll... In the future, when new generation boxing fans skim through Youtube hearing Roach and Pac testimony of fumbled excuses... an ADP denial won't matter.

There's even a difference between denial and being a sore loser.

Roach was just trying to say that it was the fault of both .... they both have big egos.

Now its your turn. Do you blame Floyd for the 5+ years wait?

[ADP02]

So you didn't want to see Floyd KTFO like me??? Really??

A head is too precious ....

Lose by KO would be sweet but not the way Manny or Hatton were knocked out. While I agree that those were amazing boxing video clips but the way Hatton went down, who can forget that but that can have an everlasting affect on the guy .....

[ADP02]

ADP02, my new poll is up. Don't forget to vote.

Will do!

[ADP02]

On a serious note and be honest. How much do you guys get paid by boxingscene to do this?

If the price is right, I'll gladly accept an offer from the scene and put in work like they've never seen before. I will be sure that the Mayweather vs Pac saga never dies.

I wished I did! If I was paid by letter or word count, I can retire by now!

[Zaroku]

A head is too precious ....

Lose by KO would be sweet but not the way Manny or Hatton were knocked out. While I agree that those were amazing boxing video clips but the way Hatton went down, who can forget that but that can have an everlasting affect on the guy .....

Hatton fell back first
PAC face first

Both free fall! Both great warriors!!!

Great Warriors!!!

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Hatton fell back first
PAC face first

Both free fall! Both great warriors!!!

Great Warriors!!!

Yup ... great warriors

[Zaroku]

Yup ... great warriors

Two true warriors!!!

[Dosumpthin]

FACTS? Sorry but its just deflections.

We are questioning USADA and this BS retroactive TUE. You do not give retroactive TUEs out like candy but they did for FLoyd.

Even NSAC said its no longer just an anomaly as far as USADA overstepping their bounds and making mistakes.


So except for USADA, who we are all questioning, you really have NOTHING. WADA more than likely did not even review it. So which facts are you then coming with to make your big stand? YOU HAVE NOTHING!!! Pretty much everything that came out (information) points to Floyd not requiring an IV.




more deflections




What I'm saying is that you are basing your points on a test that was meaningless. It took 6 hours to complete the test. FLoyd drank a lot and had an IV. If the delay was not bad enough, what occurred after the delay can mask prohibited substances.

So you think that is what WADA wants happening each time that a sample is taken? Delay 6 hours, drink a lot, use an IV ..... got it ... thanks for the laugh!







No, you are just being naïve. You are saying that because Floyd passed the test that it means that all was fine. Was Lance Armstrong and others OK too?
Floyd also used a prohibited method, delayed so that it took 6 hours for his urine sample to be completed and so on.




I never said all are on PEDs but I said that anyone including Manny could have taken PEDs at one point in time. I've said this on quite a few occassions. So why is FLoyd different for you?

Difference is that Floyd actually took a prohibited method and only after the fact (18 days later) got an approval. You know how many athletes wished they could have been allowed to do what Floyd did?





I see you had trouble responding with the rest of my post. You have no answers! You just answer some parts with deflections and name calling. Not cool.


Sorry but you were responding to my point and you misunderstood my point so I stated that my point was "not about rehydration". So instead of going on a silly rant, perhaps you should have at least tried to understand my point or say that you just not getting my point .....

NSAC was discussing both TUEs and other mistakes done by USADA. NSAC said that USADA overstepped its bounds on several occasions including the approving of TUEs. That is to mean, ALL TUEs not just the TUE concerning Floyd.

The NSAC said that for ALL TUEs, they need to go thru NSAC. No matter what its for. So that is why I said, my point was not about rehydration but about TUEs in general.

So again, NSAC has let USADA know this. USADA closed their ears and eyes on this for Floyd.



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OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE

RUMOR = purple
SPECULATION = blue
MISINFORMATION = orange

FACT= red

USADA approved the iv use.
NSAC does not ban the iv use.
NSAC did not require a tue.
WADA has not reversed the tue.
IV rehydration is common in combat sports.
Floyd followed all rules provided by the ADO.
Floyd passed all test.
Floyd provided urine before and after IV.
Thomas Hauser admitted he was wrong about Floyd being "caught".
Floyd has never failed a drug test.
WADA ISTUE allows for retro active TUEs.
USADA is a WADA signatory.

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a) Lets say Manny lied.

No. HE DID LIE. It's right there for you to see. Do you need to know a reason? This god fearing man is lying. Hmm. Let's keep going and learn more about Manny Pacquiao and his team.

By the way, go look up some information about Toradol. Maybe you will understand then why he was so desperate to get his hands on this drug and was abusing it during training camp.

Floyd lied:
- Giving urine contributed to his dehydration.
- Giving blood 10 days earlier contributed to his dehydration.
- Pre-fight form, Floyd was fine then after drinking, he said he was extremely dehydrated...... According to NSAC that is called perjury .... I know, in Nevada, that is only true for the opponent named Manny, not the Nevada hometown fighter named Floyd.
- Floyd said he was extremely dehydrated so he used an IV. You believe that?
- According to Floyd, Dr Ariza is the doctor who helped Floyd resolve his dehydration problems ... so who is this doctor who signed the TUE?
- Floyd boasted just after getting the IV that he does not get drained and needs to rehydrate like those other guys that go back up 15 20lbs. Floyd says he walks around 147-150 and then said 148/149).So why the IV Floyd? HA

Um...where is the lie? He stated reasons for his dehydration that you can't disprove, NSAC has nothing to do with dehydration as we both know, and the rest....just your normal jibber jabber.

I already told you what Roach said:
“I talked to one of the doctor’s over there who’s doing the rehab on it. He told me everything’s going fine,” Roach said to Fighthype. “The salt water is just a [expletive] story. The [expletive] kid [Pacquiao] has a sense of humor. When he’s injury free, we’ll fight again. I don’t know when that’ll be. In three to six months, I’m hoping, but I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. I can’t really tell you.”

Let me get this straight. Pacquaio says that he was healed by GOD's WORK (direct quote), sometime after that, Roach who sees that his guy just stepped in major ****, claims that Pacquaio is LYING about it.

Excuse me, but.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
So either Roach is lying, or Manny lies even about his relationship to God. Congratulations, you've just become the must gullible creature on the face of this earth .

Did the doctor believe he should be completely healed in 3 months?

yes! That is what the doctor explained when he explained it for Kobe.
So the doctor is telling you that you are not right. Sorry.

Oh really???? lol. You just fuvked up, homie. Let's look at what the doctor said.

Could he play without surgery?

“The real question is, what does the MRI show in how significant it is? … He would basically have to have conditioning exercises, extra care for the muscles, anti-inflammatory medicine and maybe cortisone shots to help with the pain. But to perform at that level, even a partial tear may sideline him.

“We operate on partial tears, too. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.”

“If he plays with a full tear, where the tendon is actually detached, and the tendon stays detached for too long, it can alter the fact that you can fix it later. … We say with these things, we have about a year’s window to fix it. Then sometimes you can’t do that.

YOU FUVKED UP TWICE HERE:

1. You are reading information about a partial tear and saying that it applies to Pacquiao, when it was already stated that it is a FULL THICKNESS TEAR? Is that why you bolded "partial tear" and "three months"??? hahahaha. That's your first **** up

2. The doctor is talking about whether Kobe can play with a full thickness tear. HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT RECOVERY TIME AFTER THE SURGERY. You know you just ****ed up, right? He even clearly states that there is a 1 year window to fix it by surgery. Find me one doctor that says someone can recover from full thickness rotator cuff tear surgery completely in 3 months. Again, THIS IS ABOUT IF HE NEVER HAD SURGERY, NOT HOW QUICKLY HE WILL RECOVER AFTER THAT TYPE OF SURGERY.
HAHAHAHAH. You truly clowned yourself, homie. You Pacroaches make this **** too easy because you have poor comprehension skills!

Floyd drank after the weigh in. So if he was extremely dehydrated, he was more so BEFORE the weigh in. Floyd wrote nothing on the pre-fight form. Secondly, the vital signs, and everything else that has already been said to you show no signs of significant dehydration. Studies, USADA, NSAC and so on also state that with Floyd's weight being relatively stable, Floyd was not dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

Ha. Did you disprove chronic dehydration yet?

Did you disprove the existence of a condition that would make IV rehydration more suitable than oral rehydration?

I've asked you these questions over and over. You can't answer because you know none of the information you give applies.

Like I already said, its different shooting a few hoops and game play action.

Oh really?????

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This is 7 MONTHS AFTER SURGERY. HIS FIRST TIME BACK ON THE COURT SHOOTING!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAHA. CLOWNED YOURSELF YET AGAIN!!!

And how about Pacquaio. 3 months after surgery...shooting 3's. hahahaha. Get the **** out of here.

Roach said that he did have rehab for the surgery not the wounds you see in the pictures. Manny just didn't go to USA for his rehab.

I get it. Roach said the deeply religious Manny Pacquaio lied about God healing him in an attempt to save Pacquaio's ass. LMAO!!!!

Guess what? You lose again!

So let's recap:
1. You all but admitted that the God fearing Manny Pacquaio lied instead of facing up to the music. I'm sure Jesus would be proud.

2. You highlight information about a partial tear when you know that Pacquaio was diagnosed with a full thickness tear.

3. You mistake being able to play sports with a full thickness rotator cuff tear with recovery from full thickness rotator cuff surgery. Oops!

4. You attempt to prove me wrong by quoting Freddie Roach, who either makes it clear that Manny Pacquaio is doubling down on his lying, no less about his relationship to GOD, or Freddie Roach is lying himself. It has to be one of the two!

5. Still no explanation for how Pacquaio was "miraculously" (yes, his business partner called it A MIRACLE), MIRACULOUSLY recovered from the surgery in 3 months. Even Arum couldn't spin this ****. By the way, here's what Arum had to say about the good doctor's view of this MIRACULOUS RECOVERY:

"The doctor here was amazed when he saw pictures of his movement and everything…The doctor says he's got to see it himself.”

Now, if the doctor proved me wrong, as you (mistakenly) suggested, why was he amazed and needs to see it to believe it???? LMAOOOOOO

This was the most laughable response ever!!!!

HA. NOT ONLY DO YOU LOSE. BUT YEP, YOU EARNED THIS.....