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[about.thousands]

I don't what Al paid performers in the concert industry vs other promoters there, but that would be an interesting baseline to see. Since you're talking facts and not opinions you want to share the sources for that information?

Budweiser music festival and Eddie Murphy Raw tour. Number one concert promoter in the nation.

[about.thousands]

You're referring to his very successful venture in the music business? Yes he was subjected to market pressures then, but it's also a very different model. However he did have that issue with Beyonce.

Where does it say Beyonce sued Haymon?

Jay- Z is said not to like Al Haymon( also Beyonce once sued him) : http://t.co/6WxvdoZvKm #boxing

— Steve Kim (@steveucnlive) August 18, 2014

[Sweet Jones]

Haymon's always been in a position to be generous. His investment risk into these deals has been minimal. When he was at HBO, he was leveraging Floyd in order to get great deals for Williams, Berto, Broner, ect. He was controlling the fight setup w/o having to deal with market pressures for the events. Today he's running off the hedge fund money, and again not having to deal with market pressures.

If Al was a regular promoter he'd probably be less willing to share with his fighters. Personally I'd like to see fighter deals work by a percentage of the overall gross for an event, in which case the promoters should be legally required to report all revenues associated with the event.

But he's not. He's an advisor/manager with a fiduciary responsibility to his fighter.

If he's gone out and found huge pots of money to pay their purses and maximize their income and income streams, AND eliminated a hand in their pocket (that of the traditional 'promoter' role), then he's done EXACTLY what he's supposed to do in his role.

[Eastcoast]

What issue with Beyonce? You mean when Beyonce fired her father as manager and her father sued her? I keep hearing Beyonce sued Haymon but never seen a lawsuit or read an article about Beyonce suing Haymon. That rumor was started by Steve Kim and this is the article he tweeted as proof

http://www.billboard.com/biz/article...-shed-light-on

Did I say sue? I said she had problems with Haymon. Her lawyers found out her father was stealing from her and Live Nation alleged their own - Haymon conspired with him on it. She said she didn't sue b/c it was her father.

Budweiser music festival and Eddie Murphy Raw tour. Number one concert promoter in the nation.

WTF is this? You made a claim Haymon paid the best in comparison to the other concert promoters. What's that based on?

[Eastcoast]

Where does it say Beyonce sued Haymon?

Jay- Z is said not to like Al Haymon( also Beyonce once sued him) : http://t.co/6WxvdoZvKm #boxing

— Steve Kim (@steveucnlive) August 18, 2014

Where did I say sue?

[about.thousands]

Where did I say sue?

The rumor that she had an "issue" with Haymon came from Kim who said she sued him, which never happened. What "issue" did she have with Haymon? And Jay-Z and Haymon seem to have done business with no problem with Live Nation and Roc Nation. What are these issues?

[about.thousands]

Did I say sue? I said she had problems with Haymon. Her lawyers found out her father was stealing from her and Live Nation alleged their own - Haymon conspired with him on it. She said she didn't sue b/c it was her father.




WTF is this? You made a claim Haymon paid the best in comparison to the other concert promoters. What's that based on?

He paid the best based on all the top acts choosing him to promote their shows and their shows made the most with Haymon promoting them.

[Eastcoast]

The rumor that she had an "issue" with Haymon came from Kim who said she sued him, which never happened. What "issue" did she have with Haymon? And Jay-Z and Haymon seem to have done business with no problem with Live Nation and Roc Nation. What are these issues?

The rumor she had an issue with Haymon came around before Kim ever 'tweeted' it. And Live Nation is bigger than just Haymon, they kind of bought out the majority of Haymon Ventures in the early 90's, then the remaining 49% in 2010.

He paid the best based on all the top acts choosing him to promote their shows and their shows made the most with Haymon promoting them.

Listen I'm done with this after this post. You stated that Haymon paid the best among concert promoters, then seemingly lectured me something about facts and not opinions. Now you can't support what you posted about him paying more than other concert promoters. Saying all the top acts chose to sign with him b/c 'he paid the best', is not some kind of ****ing validation. Even if you could show what each act generated over a specified time, who did the promotions, the concert industry isn't any where near as simple as the boxing industry. There's way more hands involved.



Getting back to what's relevant - boxing industry - Haymon works off a different platform than a standard boxing promoter. He doesn't have to absorb costs like they do. When your focus is solely on negotiating with the networks on the fighter's behalf and not worrying about your overhead, it's a lot easier to look like a hero. I'm not saying TR hasn't ripped off fighters in the past or maybe they take more than they should. But it's not a fair comparison between how a promoter has to do business and how an adviser who used Mayweather as leverage and now a half-billion dollar cut from a hedge fund, is able to operate.

[about.thousands]

The rumor she had an issue with Haymon came around before Kim ever 'tweeted' it. And Live Nation is bigger than just Haymon, they kind of bought out the majority of Haymon Ventures in the early 90's, then the remaining 49% in 2010.

And Live Nation signed Jay-Z for $150 million in 2008.

Listen I'm done with this after this post. You stated that Haymon paid the best among concert promoters, then seemingly lectured me something about facts and not opinions. Now you can't support what you posted about him paying more than other concert promoters. Saying all the top acts chose to sign with him b/c 'he paid the best', is not some kind of ****ing validation. Even if you could show what each act generated over a specified time, who did the promotions, the concert industry isn't any where near as simple as the boxing industry. There's way more hands involved.

He didn't have the most successful concert promoting business because he was cheap with the artists! WTF? I remember those Budweiser Music Fest shows when I was a kid. They had the biggest acts in music. You want me to find some old Ebony and Jet magazine articles and scan and upload them here? WTF?

Getting back to what's relevant - boxing industry - Haymon works off a different platform than a standard boxing promoter. He doesn't have to absorb costs like they do. When your focus is solely on negotiating with the networks on the fighter's behalf and not worrying about your overhead, it's a lot easier to look like a hero. I'm not saying TR hasn't ripped off fighters in the past or maybe they take more than they should. But it's not a fair comparison between how a promoter has to do business and how an adviser who used Mayweather as leverage and now a half-billion dollar cut from a hedge fund, is able to operate.

I know how he works but your original point made it seem like he'd never had to deal with those issues. He did. That's how he made his name in the CONCERT PROMOTIONS BUSINESS You're trying to make it seem like this guy is taking advantage of poor HBO and Showtime. He's doing what every business man has done before him and what every business person will do after him. Use leverage to get the best deal. Why is it such a problem when he does it? You on some other **** tryna make it seem like this dude on some type of welfare or something by pointing out he's using other people money. I just find it strange that you would highlight the fact he used other people money. For anybody else that's called an investment but for some reason when Haymon does it it's a welfare system.

[Eastcoast]

And Live Nation signed Jay-Z for $150 million in 2008.

I already pointed out, Live Nation already controlled the majority of Haymon Ventures in the 90's. Jay Z wasn't just dealing with Haymon as you try to make it look.

He didn't have the most successful concert promoting business because he was cheap with the artists! WTF? I remember those Budweiser Music Fest shows when I was a kid. They had the biggest acts in music. You want me to find some old Ebony and Jet magazine articles and scan and upload them here? WTF?

And what does that prove? You made a statement saying he paid the most, that doesn't directly back it up. Hey, TR has been the biggest boxing promoter, do they pay the best? Don King promoted some of the biggest fights with Tyson, did he treat Mike better than anyone else would've? Biggest doesn't mean they paid the best. Like I said before, the music industry is a lot different, there's way more people involved with the decision making so it wouldn't necessarily prove either way.

I know how he works but your original point made it seem like he'd never had to deal with those issues. He did. That's how he made his name in the CONCERT PROMOTIONS BUSINESS You're trying to make it seem like this guy is taking advantage of poor HBO and Showtime. He's doing what every business man has done before him and what every business person will do after him. Use leverage to get the best deal. Why is it such a problem when he does it? You on some other **** tryna make it seem like this dude on some type of welfare or something by pointing out he's using other people money. I just find it strange that you would highlight the fact he used other people money. For anybody else that's called an investment but for some reason when Haymon does it it's a welfare system.

Get your welfare **** out of here. I didn't make any ****ing accusations of the sort, but now you have to get desperate and resort to that ****, **** you. I never had a problem with your posts before today, but this is crap. I'll call out anyone who tries to take control of the sport and doesn't try to make it better. The other scum bag promoters still have to be accountable for their actions keeping them somewhat in check. And again, go f yourself. You've tried to change my words multiple times now in this debate, that's weak.

Haymon just blasted through equivalent to 10 years of HBO's current boxing budget in 10 months and he hasn't built one fighter to anywhere near a Cotto-star level. He's contributed to blocking way more great fights than he's given us. And I've spoken out against HBO. I think they and Showtime have crippled the sport by removing it from an actual market driven environment and inflating purses beyond what's sustainable.