Comments Thread For: Kovalev-Pascal II Averages 1.179 Million Viewers

[khal-d]

doesnt do anything for them as far as the stevenson thing goes..proves the other side's point..your not even reaching close to 2 million viewers and u just did 100k ppv's for a guy who gets more viewers...YOU NEED SOME HELP TO MAKE A FIGHT HAVE MORE POTENTIAL BUYS!

u haymon haters need not comment..im trying to discuss making the fight logically while you are trying to make hbo the only network for boxing...

I shouldn't even waste my breath but:

Stevenson-Fonfara on Showtime did 672K
Stevenson-Karpency on Spike TV did 581K
Stevenson-Bika on CBS did 1.6M

So Stevenson needs free-to-air CBS to pull it 0.5 million more? And he only did half Kovalev's number of Spike which is available in nearly 100M homes in the USA? You know HBO only has 36M subscribers?

If your argument is going to be about ratings, at least come correct.

[tiliheels]

I shouldn't even waste my breath but:

Stevenson-Fonfara on Showtime did 672K
Stevenson-Karpency on Spike TV did 581K
Stevenson-Bika on CBS did 1.6M

So Stevenson needs free-to-air CBS to pull it 0.5 million more? And he only did half Kovalev's number of Spike which is available in nearly 100M homes in the USA? You know HBO only has 36M subscribers?

If your argument is going to be about ratings, at least come correct.

kovalev has been on prime time tv with main events and he didnt do 1.6 sooooo...
im not saying one is the bigger star..NEITHER IS POPULAR..im saying if they are going to pull off a ppv and not flop like they did with ggg's 97k they need to work together and promote on hbo/showtime/pbc

it took 16 years for them to work together...if they do it now they well have only took a year to work together again! THAT IS A GREAT SIGN FOR BOXING..but if u want to play the haymon vs hbo game u go right ahead dumbass and enjoy kovalev vs your granny and stevenson vs you grampa

[khal-d]

HBO has never had a problem with airing mismatches. Just look at most of Roy Jones HBO career. They just don't want to pay top dollar for mismatches.

Let's not bring up RJJ, that was a long time ago.

HBO did well in 2015 aside from a few obvious ones (Kovalev-Mohammedi which was a mandatory and Crawford-Jean which was no excuse) but now we got Kovalev-Pascal II and we're getting Crawford-Lundy which are two god-awful fights. Tough to blame them for GGG's opponents.

Hope we get more Ali-Vargas fights, and that Canelo faces someone legit instead of Rosado (Liam Smith would be a great fight). Would also be nice for Crawford to face some legit competition in 2016.

[tiliheels]

I shouldn't even waste my breath but:

Stevenson-Fonfara on Showtime did 672K
Stevenson-Karpency on Spike TV did 581K
Stevenson-Bika on CBS did 1.6M

So Stevenson needs free-to-air CBS to pull it 0.5 million more? And he only did half Kovalev's number of Spike which is available in nearly 100M homes in the USA? You know HBO only has 36M subscribers?

If your argument is going to be about ratings, at least come correct.

you look like a flat off fool for this post..never once did i say one man was a bigger star..u think very minimal
pbc is reach 6 million ppl..if u promote a ppv match during that u add nearly 5 million ppl to the 1.2 hbo just reached
now if u add showtime to the mix u reach another 750k...and that is all free promotion instead of having to pay some other program to run your adds!
#WorkTogther #FightOnHBO #DoItAgain
now you come correct you jackass
go ahead and tell me how it isnt enough money in the pot lol..i bet hbo wish they had someone to share that ggg 97k debacle with..
split the cost of paying ppv provide
split the purses
split the promotion expenses
split the pay of ppl who work the fight for the networks
its about having the least risk...not about only making super fights..hbo knows that they just hate the fact that showtime is actually a player..

[khal-d]

kovalev has been on prime time tv with main events and he didnt do 1.6 sooooo...
im not saying one is the bigger star..NEITHER IS POPULAR..im saying if they are going to pull off a ppv and not flop like they did with ggg's 97k they need to work together and promote on hbo/showtime/pbc

it took 16 years for them to work together...if they do it now they well have only took a year to work together again! THAT IS A GREAT SIGN FOR BOXING..but if u want to play the haymon vs hbo game u go right ahead dumbass and enjoy kovalev vs your granny and stevenson vs you grampa

Kovalev never fought on NBC, he fought on NBC Sports Network which is not free to air.

He also fought on NBC Sports Network before he won a title or dominated top competition.

How can you even compare Stevenson today to Kovalev back then?

I'm not arguing on where the fight should end up, I don't care if it's on HBO, Showtime, both, or neither! The fight's not going to happen anyway and Stevenson will be 40 by the time it does.

So you call me a dumbass while just saying you hope Showtime and HBO work together? You automatically label me as anti-PBC because I pointed out that Stevenson's never done good numbers while you're out here LYING about how he's more popular than Kovalev?

[khal-d]

you look like a flat off fool for this post..never once did i say one man was a bigger star..u think very minimal
pbc is reach 6 million ppl..if u promote a ppv match during that u add nearly 5 million ppl to the 1.2 hbo just reached
now if u add showtime to the mix u reach another 750k...and that is all free promotion instead of having to pay some other program to run your adds!
#WorkTogther #FightOnHBO #DoItAgain
now you come correct you jackass
go ahead and tell me how it isnt enough money in the pot lol..i bet hbo wish they had someone to share that ggg 97k debacle with..
split the cost of paying ppv provide
split the purses
split the promotion expenses
split the pay of ppl who work the fight for the networks
its about having the least risk...not about only making super fights..hbo knows that they just hate the fact that showtime is actually a player..

You call me a fool but you have no idea what we're even arguing about.

WHERE DID I SAY THAT SHOWTIME AND HBO SHOULD NOT WORK TOGETHER?

I pointed out that Stevenson is a nobody who can't draw ratings, I don't think Kovalev is a star either.

It goes to show the weak position of boxing in general where straight killers like Kovalev and Stevenson aren't known outside hardcore boxing circles although their styles are tailor made for mainstream attention.

Get your head out your ass.

[tiliheels]

Kovalev never fought on NBC, he fought on NBC Sports Network which is not free to air.

He also fought on NBC Sports Network before he won a title or dominated top competition.

How can you even compare Stevenson today to Kovalev back then?

I'm not arguing on where the fight should end up, I don't care if it's on HBO, Showtime, both, or neither! The fight's not going to happen anyway and Stevenson will be 40 by the time it does.

So you call me a dumbass while just saying you hope Showtime and HBO work together? You automatically label me as anti-PBC because I pointed out that Stevenson's never done good numbers while you're out here LYING about how he's more popular than Kovalev?

WHERE IN MY COMMENT DID I SAY STEVENSON WAS MORE POPULAR..U STARTED A RANT WITHOUT CAUSE!
i simply stated they should work together and promote on pbc/showtime for free instead of only on hbo...they would reach nearly 7 million more viewers
according to danny's last numbers..ifthey could promote this fight during thrumanporter that would be huge free promotion..
kovalev nor stevenson is popular! does that settle the argument u started with yourself?

askings networks to get it done is not dumb at all..following stevenson just to call him chinckenson is wat is dumb..and im sure you do! taking a side is wat is dumb when the truth is we need the networks to work together yearly or when it calls for it not just when a fight can make them 10s of millions of dollars...it shouldnt be about them..IT SHOULD BE ABOUT US AS SUBSCRIBERS!

[tiliheels]

You call me a fool but you have no idea what we're even arguing about.

WHERE DID I SAY THAT SHOWTIME AND HBO SHOULD NOT WORK TOGETHER?

I pointed out that Stevenson is a nobody who can't draw ratings, I don't think Kovalev is a star either.

It goes to show the weak position of boxing in general where straight killers like Kovalev and Stevenson aren't known outside hardcore boxing circles although their styles are tailor made for mainstream attention.

Get your head out your ass.

I CALLE DYOU A FOOL, AND I WAS RIGHT!
U ARGUED SOMETHING I NEVER IMPLIED!
therefore i can take it as u hate my entire life and agrument bc u basically made up you own madness directed at me due to NOTHING I DONE!

HOW ABOUT YOU JUST READ THE NEXT TIME

[khal-d]

WHERE IN MY COMMENT DID I SAY STEVENSON WAS MORE POPULAR..U STARTED A RANT WITHOUT CAUSE!
i simply stated they should work together and promote on pbc/showtime for free instead of only on hbo...they would reach nearly 7 million more viewers
according to danny's last numbers..ifthey could promote this fight during thrumanporter that would be huge free promotion..
kovalev nor stevenson is popular! does that settle the argument u started with yourself?

askings networks to get it done is not dumb at all..following stevenson just to call him chinckenson is wat is dumb..and im sure you do! taking a side is wat is dumb when the truth is we need the networks to work together yearly or when it calls for it not just when a fight can make them 10s of millions of dollars...it shouldnt be about them..IT SHOULD BE ABOUT US AS SUBSCRIBERS!

You've clearly never dealt with any business in real life, or else you'd know that PBC would not just give "free promotion" on their cards without charging back HBO for some of that promotion. At which point HBO would argue that they can achieve the same through their outlets such as ESPN or ABC.

HBO could also argue that they are the ones who built up both Stevenson and Kovalev whereas Stevenson has faced a major regression since leaving HBO (used to pull in 1.2M on HBO, then half of that on Showtime).

Again, I'm not going into more specifics because clearly all of this just won't make sense to you, and why would you need a fool like myself giving you insight.

But I take it from your following post where you say "i can take it as u hate my entire life and argument" that you are a delusional 12 year old, and I should no longer waste my time on this argument.

You need to calm down and take a deep breath, it's just boxing and it's just an online forum.

I don't hate your entire life my friend

[tiliheels]

You've clearly never dealt with any business in real life, or else you'd know that PBC would not just give "free promotion" on their cards without charging back HBO for some of that promotion. At which point HBO would argue that they can achieve the same through their outlets such as ESPN or ABC.

HBO could also argue that they are the ones who built up both Stevenson and Kovalev whereas Stevenson has faced a major regression since leaving HBO (used to pull in 1.2M on HBO, then half of that on Showtime).

Again, I'm not going into more specifics because clearly all of this just won't make sense to you, and why would you need a fool like myself giving you insight.

But I take it from your following post where you say "i can take it as u hate my entire life and argument" that you are a delusional 12 year old, and I should no longer waste my time on this argument.

You need to calm down and take a deep breath, it's just boxing and it's just an online forum.

I don't hate your entire life my friend

i've written 5 contract in my life all are still valid today and well withstanding with the other party
pbc/haymon wouldnt even have to run commercial they could just talk about the fight and there u have other ppl that dont have hbo being promoted to! nothing on pbc would come out of hbo's pocket bc showtime would likely allow them to use footage to promote new fighter that dont have pbc highligths! scratch my back and i'll scratch yours...haymon and showtime are good! working together means u dont spend money clown..IT MEANS YOU MAKE IT! POOLING RESOURCES IS THE TRICK! SCRATCHING BACKS..NOT GREASING PALMS IS THE TRICK...u get it now? u dont have to argue just accept that all these large en****** have needs along with supply that can be exchanged...on top of that good business relationships make things go even smoother

oh yes they would bc haymon cares for his fighters!