Debunking the PBC fighters can't fight on HBO Theory Myth and GGG's HBO contract

[deanrw]

Let's talk about that.

Based on the only article I can find that shed's light on GGG's contract and knowing GGG has previously fought outside HBO while being signed to HBO, it leads me to believe that under the right circumstances (i.e. big fight), HBO will allow GGG to fight outside their network.

HBO has invested heavily in GGG and built his name as part of their brand. If the situation was forced due to a failed purse bid like Lomachenko vs Russell, yes it can happen. It will not ever happen in a good faith type of way. HBO does not like Haymon and vice versa no matter what public hyperbole is released by either of them.

[Chollo Vista]

hence my question.

if you are a company with rosters of fighters, then what are you?

PBC is kind of taking the UFC model of organizing fights.

Think of PBC as UFC in a sense that PBC buys TV time. PBC is nothing more than a TV series show; hence Premiere Boxing Champions, in which they have bought air time from other networks to market their fighters.

If GGG was the smart business man he claims to be, he would go to the Al Haymon stable. If Robert Guerrero gets 1.2 million to fight on free tv, how much do you think Golovkin would get?

Now, the counterargument to what Haymon is doing is buying up all the tv time in an effort to potentially block out the other promoters like Top Rank and Golden Boy. But, the good thing for them is HBO backs them up. That's the counter to what Haymon is doing.

But from listening to Team Golovkin, there goal is to make as much $$$ as possible, if this is the case, they need to be with PBC for PBC is creating the bigger stable of fighters and offers the most money.

[Chollo Vista]

HBO has invested heavily in GGG and built his name as part of their brand. If the situation was forced due to a failed purse bid like Lomachenko vs Russell, yes it can happen. It will not ever happen in a good faith type of way. HBO does not like Haymon and vice versa no matter what public hyperbole is released by either of them.

If GGG is about making smart business moves and fighting the best then going to PBC would be the most logical thing to do, no?

If Jacobs made 1.5 mil against Quillin on Showtime, not only will GGG get his biggest payday with PBC/Haymon, but he'll also be fighting the best which is what they've always claimed to want, no?

Boxing is a business and GGG doesn't owe HBO anything. Want to know why? Because if GGG goes on a losing streatk, HBO would have no problem kicking him to the curb. So it's actually in GGG's best interest to go with PBC/Haymon. Especially since Tom Loeffler likes Al Haymon and has no problem doing business with him.

Think about it: Better, more competitive fights and more $$$.

GGG has already met his 4 fight min contractual obligation with HBO. It's in his best interest to part ways with them and go where the money and better fights are.

[FrontproofMedia]

If there is money to be made they will make the fight regardless of relationship. The problem is finding a suitable fighter who is marketable and fan friendly to cross that divide.

[Scott9945]

Haymon is neither a manager or a promoter for Floyd.

Floyd is his own boss and Ellerbe is his manager

Floyd has his own promotion company TMT so he is not promoting floyd.

Haymon as far as i know is Floyd's "adviser".

Maidana too has his own manager

so Haymon is an adviser to floyd and a manager for other fighters?

is there such a thing as adviser/manager?

Well you can call yourself anything. But the bottom line is that Haymon takes a percentage of his fighter's inflated purses, which are paid for by a hedge fund. Sounds like a manager to me.

Of course any deal with Floyd will be different because of the tremendous revenue he generates, and his own business interests as you indicated.

[Rath]

PBC is kind of taking the UFC model of organizing fights.

Think of PBC as UFC in a sense that PBC buys TV time. PBC is nothing more than a TV series show; hence Premiere Boxing Champions, in which they have bought air time from other networks to market their fighters.

If GGG was the smart business man he claims to be, he would go to the Al Haymon stable. If Robert Guerrero gets 1.2 million to fight on free tv, how much do you think Golovkin would get?

Now, the counterargument to what Haymon is doing is buying up all the tv time in an effort to potentially block out the other promoters like Top Rank and Golden Boy. But, the good thing for them is HBO backs them up. That's the counter to what Haymon is doing.

But from listening to Team Golovkin, there goal is to make as much $$$ as possible, if this is the case, they need to be with PBC for PBC is creating the bigger stable of fighters and offers the most money.

i understand what you are trying to say,

but unlike UFC who have their own belts/champions, PBC has none.

PBC is using WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO's records of fights and belts/champion for their own benefit to promote their fight/fighters yet one of their true intentions is to eliminate boxing organizations like WBC and WBA etc.

i remember them saying there will be PBC belts/champions.

you can not just define PBC as "kinda like" UFC and "kinda like" TR or GBP

that is why my question is What exactly is PBC, not what is PBC "kinda like" ?

[Rath]

Well you can call yourself anything. But the bottom line is that Haymon takes a percentage of his fighter's inflated purses, which are paid for by a hedge fund. Sounds like a manager to me.

Of course any deal with Floyd will be different because of the tremendous revenue he generates, and his own business interests as you indicated.

got it

thanks a lot sir.

[deanrw]

If GGG is about making smart business moves and fighting the best then going to PBC would be the most logical thing to do, no?

If Jacobs made 1.5 mil against Quillin on Showtime, not only will GGG get his biggest payday with PBC/Haymon, but he'll also be fighting the best which is what they've always claimed to want, no?

Boxing is a business and GGG doesn't owe HBO anything. Want to know why? Because if GGG goes on a losing streatk, HBO would have no problem kicking him to the curve. So it's actually in GGG's best interest to go with PBC/Haymon. Especially since Tom Loeffler likes Al Haymon and has no problem doing business with him.

Think about it: Better, more competitive fights and more $$$.

GGG has already met his 4 fight min contractual obligation with HBO. It's in his best interest to part ways with them and go where the money and better fights are.

Who in the PBC roster represents fighting the best? Whatever names you come up with who is to say they would even get in the ring with him?

Point blank he would still have to fight Wade. It is not like there are no fights to be made for GGG right now in HBO land. The issue is getting guys to actually fight him. Moving over to PBC is not guaranteed success as they are not even fighting each other. Look at the super welterweight division as an example. None of them are fighting each other or any live dogs for that matter.

[Chollo Vista]

PBC is using WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO's records of fights and belts/champion for their own benefit to promote their fight/fighters yet one of their true intentions is to eliminate boxing organizations like WBC and WBA etc.

Show me where you the bolded from?

you can not just define PBC as "kinda like" UFC and "kinda like" TR or GBP

that is why my question is What exactly is PBC, not what is PBC "kinda like" ?

Of course you can, it's an analogy to try to help you grasp the concept. PBC took the UFC's business model. I advise you to look at the UFC's business model and you'll see what PBC is doing.

Again, PBC is nothing more than Al Haymon's boxing series. It's nothing more than a boxing series tv show that provides a platform for him to market his fighters. That's all it is is a name of a sitcom if you will.

There are several promoters/managers that fall under the Haymon umbrella that are allowed to promote fights for the boxing series like Lou DiBella. Think of it like Bob Arum putting on a show during the airing of a PBC event.

PBC isn't a promotional company. All PBC is is the name of a boxing series similar to how Tuesday Night Fights was on ESPN back in the day.

Lou DiBella is the promoter in most events.

[killakali]

Did you not read the OP??

Ken Hershman clearly said that Haymon fighters ARE NOT BANNED!!

This is Twilight Zone material.

who says Haymon wants his guys to fight on HBO? There is a reason why they haven't fought on HBO