Comments Thread For: Garcia-Guerrero Preliminary Ratings Average - 2.259 Million

[ea22]

"Fights entertained doesnt say much"?

Oh as boxing fans we dont want to be entertained we want to know if they made money or not? That right there is all i need to know about you as a boxing fan. NSB doesnt have many boxing fans but they have tons of "accounting fans"

We are discussing ratings you idiot, look at the thread title, of course that the fight being entertaining matters but not within the context of this discussion.

[SUBZER0ED]

HBO are are still in only 30% of the homes. NBC, Fox, CBS are in every home you don't even need a cable subscription it's free with rabbit ears antenna. Even HBO shows for example Ballers starring the Rock was a huge hit and immediately picked up for season 2 drew an avg of 1.7m TV viewers on sunday nights. There are network shows that get canceled for drawing that many viewers. Yet this show on HBO made millions. There are shows on HBO that get less then 1mil viewers when they release new episodes and make money while FX just canceled the Bastard Executioner because it bombed getting...an avg of 1mil viewers. And that's cable far more homes have FX then HBO. Minority Report on FOX just got canceled and it debuted with over 3mil rating and then went down to 2.07 rating and that's considered a bomb and got it canceled in 1 season. Comparing these ratings to HBO is just plain dumb. HBO is subscription based and makes money differently then FOX or cable TV does which is through ads based on TV ratings. And comparing PBC to their competition on network and cable tv these ratings are terrible.

If HBO's biggest shows are doing 1-1.7m viewers it's impossible for HBO Boxing to do really much higher then that which is why what Canelo did is so amazing and ain't been done in 10 years. 1-1.5m is really the ceiling for HBO boxing. But on cable and especially network TV to pay for top end boxers to fight you need to be doing double and triple these numbers to compete with other cable and network programming. If Canelo fought on FOX this weekend no doubt he would of done like 3X the ratings Garcia just did at minimum.

Dude, It's 2016, How many people do you think really rely on rabbit ears in the US? My original statement was considering who fought, the numbers weren't so bad. More respected names would no doubt draw bigger numbers. As for The comparison between a fight on HBO & Fox, I'd venture to say that hard core fans are the ones who tune into fights on both. Casuals aren't going to watch boxing unless huge names are headlining, no matter what network shows it.

[bigdunny1]

You're focusing on one outlier though. Canelo-Kirkland did great numbers, that was great for boxing, but it was also the first time since 2009 HBO had broken 2M. That isn't a regular number for HBO. It was much closer to a fluke aided by the Mayweather-Pacquaio lead-in and Canelo's first fight off PPV in 4 fights and his return to HBO.

HBO usually does ~1M per show, and even that number is usually top 10 among all original cable programs on Saturday nights. Regardless of how much HBO costs. HBO does really good ratings for boxing regardless of their position as a pay channel.

For comparison's sake FOX did 1.1M at 8 and 9PM EST last Saturday. PBC doubled that.
http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/article...1-16-2016.html

Dude you comparing PBC live boxing to a rerun of Hell's Kitchen that costs FOX nothing to re-air? FOX aired reruns last week that cost little to nothing. Hell Kitchen and Second Chance were not first run episodes.

You see what I'm talking about these ratings so bad you have to compare it to reality tv and tv show reruns from earlier in the week. The amount of money PBC spent blows away whatever licensing fee FOX needed to re-air old shows and still all they did was a measly 2.2 rating.

that Hell's Kitchen show did a 3.4mil rating when it aired for the first time the day before.

Time Show Adults 18-49 Rating/Share Viewers (millions)
8 p.m. Masterchef Junior (FOX) 1.4/5 4.53
Last Man Standing (ABC) 1.3/5 7.17
Undercover Boss (CBS) 1.1/4 6.49
Undateable (NBC) 0.8/3 2.77
Reign (The CW) 0.4/2 1.36

8:30 p.m. Dr. Ken (ABC) 1.1/4 5.41
Superstore (NBC) – R 0.6/2 2.21

9 p.m. Shark Tank (ABC) 1.4/5 5.64
Hawaii Five-0 (CBS) 1.3/4 9.34
Dateline (NBC) (9-11 p.m.) 1.2/4 5.35
Hell’s Kitchen (FOX) – P 1.1/4 3.43
Penn & Teller: Fool Us (The CW) – R 0.4/1 1.24

10 p.m. Blue Bloods (CBS) 1.3/5 10.49
20/20 (ABC) 1.1/4 4.84

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...y-jan-15-2016/

[Fetta]

We are discussing ratings you idiot, look at the thread title, of course that the fight being entertaining matters but not within the context of this discussion.

No no you showed your true colors already go ahead and try to deflect and spin it now

[ea22]

No no you showed your true colors already go ahead and try to deflect and spin it now

There is no spin, you claimed that because a few co-workers talked to you about the fight in a positive manner it was a success, which is ******ed. By that logic if only 10 people had seen the fight and they all liked it it would still be considered a success. The objective way to look at the performance of the event are the ratings but I get that might be a little too much for you to understand.

[HeroBando]

If ALL 10 thought it was boring then maybe this sport isnt for them. Theres MMA or Tennis is on at the moment. I have friends who love Basketball and i cant stand it. Just like some of you think im crazy causr Baseball rules my household.

Different strokes for different folks but many liked fight and thought it was fun

Yeah of course, but its probably not advisable spending 100s of millions on something that will never catch on with the mainstream. Unless the idea is to pocket some of that loot yourself

[Pigeons]

Dude you comparing PBC live boxing to a rerun of Hell's Kitchen that costs FOX nothing to re-air? FOX aired reruns last week that cost little to nothing. Hell Kitchen and Second Chance were not first run episodes.

You see what I'm talking about these ratings so bad you have to compare it to reality tv and tv show reruns from earlier in the week. The amount of money PBC spent blows away whatever licensing fee FOX needed to re-air old shows and still all they did was a measly 2.2 rating.

that Hell's Kitchen show did a 3.4mil rating when it aired for the first time the day before.

OK, the Saturday before that FOX did 961K at 8, 640K at 8:30, and 806K at 9 ET.
http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/article...-1-9-2016.html

[Fetta]

Yeah of course, but its probably not advisable spending 100s of millions on something that will never catch on with the mainstream. Unless the idea is to pocket some of that loot yourself

How was that if you say your ten never watched it before didn't like it and won't watch it again but say my 10 never watched it before and watch it this time and liked it and will watch it again still in the positive. They gain not lose

[Fetta]

There is no spin, you claimed that because a few co-workers talked to you about the fight in a positive manner it was a success, which is ******ed. By that logic if only 10 people had seen the fight and they all liked it it would still be considered a success. The objective way to look at the performance of the event are the ratings but I get that might be a little too much for you to understand.

cool but hey ill watch the fights and be happy and you can argue numbers you dont know and see if THEY made or loss money that doesnt affect you

[HeroBando]

How was that if you say your ten never watched it before didn't like it and won't watch it again but say my 10 never watched it before and watch it this time and liked it and will watch it again still in the positive. They gain not lose

Fair enough, but that's not my experience at all. For instance I tried to get some casuals to watch Lee Quillin, Garcia Peterson, both decent fights, and they tuned out after a few minutes. The only time they were into it is for great fights like Pac Jmm 1,_2, 4, but those are rare