We get boxing on free TV so whats all the complaints about PBC

[AddiX]

Dude Fhurmans going to fight Porter that'll be huge for hardcore fans and LSC/Mares did like 1.6 million over 2miion if you include Espn deportes? Highest # on Espn in like 20 years and like I mention earlier LSC probably will be fighting the Frampton /Quigg winner that's a big fight the best fighting the best

As far as Jacobs it's been a little over month since he lit up Quillen give that some time

That's peanuts for Primetime espn.

Thurman vs Porter is not a big fight, it's a good fight. These dudes aren't stars. I'd compare it to Alexander vs Bradley.

Hardcore fans love it but no one else gave a ****. Thurman is basically still a nobody, he had some hype, it's gone now IMO. People aren't hyped over him anymore.

[therealpugilist]

Just think you set the bar too high for yourself.




Great f.uckin Post

It's a joke how elite fighters get labeled boring or knocked for facing challenges where they don't look spectacular but the same media Jack off to a exciting fighter in a mismatch unless that fighter isn't liked then they do everything they can to let the world know it's a mismatch.

I can go on this topic all day...you said a mouthful then



a perfect example of this to me growing up was Whitaker....had a short career in comparison to Chavez and got dubbed as boring because he was dominant.....in less than half the fights Chavez had, Whitaker won more championships and fought just as many world champions and top contenders but didn't get the shine Chavez did because of his style....that's messed up considering no one can name 5 fighters at his best weight that they'd favor over him.....who? Duran, Maybe Ike Williams, Benny Leonard...that's how great whitaker was at his best


Roy jones who was the best fighter ive ever saw fight live...its not even close and HBO broadcast would trash these guys....they were dominant and made it look easy...Jones had an unorthodox style and was knocking MFers out....the same people saying Jones was fighting nobody( there was a point before he fought Ruiz that he held wins over 7/10 contenders in the ring top ten rankings at 175) are losing there **** over other fighters who didn't fight opposition half as good as his...I think only Klitschko has done this since) yet they never trashed Gatti who struggled with champions and club fighters like Ward

[just the facts]

Just a question what fights on (HBo,PBC , UK ) in the next 2-3 months are you excited about

fair question, the only fights on the horizon that intrigue me are Quigg/Frampton (supposedly on Showtime) and Pac/Bradley (HBO PPV) but I still think PBC is a good thing.

[R_Walken]

That's peanuts for Primetime espn.

Thurman vs Porter is not a big fight, it's a good fight. These dudes aren't stars. I'd compare it to Alexander vs Bradley.

Hardcore fans love it but no one else gave a ****. Thurman is basically still a nobody, he had some hype, it's gone now IMO. People aren't hyped over him anymore.

Fair point, not saying it's a casual fans fight but hardcores and people that that somewhat follow the sport will eat it up and the winner should go on to bigger things like Bradley did with his W maybe not crossover appeal but that seems difficult to achieve.

I can go on this topic all day...you said a mouthful then



a perfect example of this to me growing up was Whitaker....had a short career in comparison to Chavez and got dubbed as boring because he was dominant.....in less than half the fights Chavez had, Whitaker won more championships and fought just as many world champions and top contenders but didn't get the shine Chavez did because of his style....that's messed up considering no one can name 5 fighters at his best weight that they'd favor over him.....who? Duran, Maybe Ike Williams, Benny Leonard...that's how great whitaker was at his best


Roy jones who was the best fighter ive ever saw fight live...its not even close and HBO broadcast would trash these guys....they were dominant and made it look easy...Jones had an unorthodox style and was knocking MFers out....the same people saying Jones was fighting nobody( there was a point before he fought Ruiz that he held wins over 7/10 contenders in the ring top ten rankings at 175) are losing there **** over other fighters who didn't fight opposition half as good as his...I think only Klitschko has done this since) yet they never trashed Gatti who struggled with champions and club fighters like Ward

Agree Another good post

The media bias in boxing is pretty pathetic instead of growin the sport they seem to be content going black widow style on certain fighters and eating their own.

[R_Walken]

fair question, the only fights on the horizon that intrigue me are Quigg/Frampton (supposedly on Showtime) and Pac/Bradley (HBO PPV) but I still think PBC is a good thing.

I feel like me and you are in the 1% of actual fans looking forward to Pac/Bradley.

[therealpugilist]

Fair point, not saying it's a casual fans fight but hardcores and people that that somewhat follow the sport will eat it up and the winner should go on to bigger things like Bradley did with his W maybe not crossover appeal but that seems difficult to achieve.



Agree Another good post

The media bias in boxing is pretty pathetic instead of growin the sport they seem to be content going black widow style on certain fighters and eating their own.

Black widow style I like that lol...subtle yet true


Our fav sport will never grow if we don't push the best we have to offer.. Not just the most exciting

[djt117]

I grew up in the 90s when boxing on tv was dyng out and you had to have showtime or hbo to see fights worth anything.

We will never get to see all the fights we want to so.....POLITICS, NETWORKS, ETC so why are people on this forum trashing PBC

Some people on this thread have said, "well I wouldn't mind but how come all these 'PBC Haters' seem to be less vocal about less-than-competitive fights put on by HBO (a network people do have to pay for)?"

I think the answer is that hardcore fans are mostly aware that HBO is working with a limited talent pool of non-PBC fighters. With what they have, HBO is not doing bad. PBC in some cases has entire divisions (e.g., 154) and isn't doing anything with them--he's got the Jermall Charlo, Jermell Charlo, J-Rock Williams, Austin Trout, Erislandy Lara, Martirosyan, Willie Nelson ...

... Trout-Lara happened pre-PBC and the only other pairing we've had in the PBC era is Martirosyan-Nelson. But that could be a hot division if more of these guy were thrown in together. But they aren't.

Sure, you could say HBO "banned Al Haymon" so the limited talent pool is their fault, but remember at the time that decision was made, the Haymon e-squad ridiculed HBO (with justification). Because Haymon/Schaefer had ALREADY moved all of their star fighters over to Showtime except Broner and Seth Mitchell (lol, yes he was a hot prospect at the time) and so the Floyd/Haymon-lovers (correctly) pointed out how ridiculous it was for HBO to claim they were "banning" Haymon--like teenage girls, they were seemingly playing the "we dumped him, he didn't dump us" game.

Haymon wouldn't want to put his fighters back on HBO tomorrow even if HBO begged him to do so, because he's trying to freeze them out and kill them off so that the PBC is the only game in town. That would only breathe new life into a rival that he has already hurt.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that the fights are free. The idea of PBC was to get enough viewers such that ad time is valuable enough to cover the costs of the fight (on the theory that the rights to live sports broadcasts have soared in value in recent years). Al is in the game to make a profit just like HBO is, and with the enormous talent pool and enormous resources that he has to promote and market it, thus far his product leaves a lot to be desired.

[Jubei]

You can also watch Here Comes Honey Boo Boo and its FREEEE.

Might also be alot more entertaining than most of these boring arse PBC cards.

Just because something is free you consume it, even if its total garbage? That's just pathetic.

[therealpugilist]

Some people on this thread have said, "well I wouldn't mind but how come all these 'PBC Haters' seem to be less vocal about less-than-competitive fights put on by HBO (a network people do have to pay for)?"

I think the answer is that hardcore fans are mostly aware that HBO is working with a limited talent pool of non-PBC fighters. With what they have, HBO is not doing bad. PBC in some cases has entire divisions (e.g., 154) and isn't doing anything with them--he's got the Jermall Charlo, Jermell Charlo, J-Rock Williams, Austin Trout, Erislandy Lara, Martirosyan, Willie Nelson ...

... Trout-Lara happened pre-PBC and the only other pairing we've had in the PBC era is Martirosyan-Nelson. But that could be a hot division if more of these guy were thrown in together. But they aren't.

Sure, you could say HBO "banned Al Haymon" so the limited talent pool is their fault, but remember at the time that decision was made, the Haymon e-squad ridiculed HBO (with justification). Because Haymon/Schaefer had ALREADY moved all of their star fighters over to Showtime except Broner and Seth Mitchell (lol, yes he was a hot prospect at the time) and so the Floyd/Haymon-lovers (correctly) pointed out how ridiculous it was for HBO to claim they were "banning" Haymon--like teenage girls, they were seemingly playing the "we dumped him, he didn't dump us" game.

Haymon wouldn't want to put his fighters back on HBO tomorrow even if HBO begged him to do so, because he's trying to freeze them out and kill them off so that the PBC is the only game in town. That would only breathe new life into a rival that he has already hurt.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that the fights are free. The idea of PBC was to get enough viewers such that ad time is valuable enough to cover the costs of the fight (on the theory that the rights to live sports broadcasts have soared in value in recent years). Al is in the game to make a profit just like HBO is, and with the enormous talent pool and enormous resources that he has to promote and market it, thus far his product leaves a lot to be desired.

Punchers are born
Stars are made and built....nobody knows any of the pbc guys


The fights we want will happen


People lost faith on pac-money

Just as they did with thurman-porter

....good things are worth the wait

[djt117]

Punchers are born
Stars are made and built....nobody knows any of the pbc guys


The fights we want will happen


People lost faith on pac-money

Just as they did with thurman-porter

....good things are worth the wait

Thurman is extremely entertaining in and out of the ring and has a highly accessible, magnetic personality -- a natural in front of the camera. If he was being built the way K2 / HBO built Golovkin, Thurman would be just as big or bigger than GGG.

But Thurman isn't kept sufficiently active and he isn't being aggressively marketed to the fans the way I think a man of Thurman's talents truly deserves.