Is Andre Ward more likely to beat Tripple G than the other way around?

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  • Doctor_Tenma
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    #11
    Originally posted by Herr Schmeling
    Why do people act like Ward is good on the inside? Clinching and holding has nothing to do with fighting on the inside. Actually, it's even illegal. James Toney was a terrific fighter on the inside. Ward is just using techniques like clinching and holding to spoil the action.

    Well, he is a good inside fighter but as you mentioned it's limited and we'll never know how limited until he faces someone else who can operate up close.

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    • Kagami Taiga
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      #12
      Originally posted by Herr Schmeling
      Why do people act like Ward is good on the inside? Clinching and holding has nothing to do with fighting on the inside. Actually, it's even illegal. James Toney was a terrific fighter on the inside. Ward is just using techniques like clinching and holding to spoil the action.
      This is what happens when people base your whole career off of one fight. You guys, do yourself a favor and watch more Andre Ward fights because this is getting old already.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Herr Schmeling
        Why do people act like Ward is good on the inside? Clinching and holding has nothing to do with fighting on the inside. Actually, it's even illegal. James Toney was a terrific fighter on the inside. Ward is just using techniques like clinching and holding to spoil the action.
        It depends on who you are asking about that... Some people use to call it "old school inside working", "roughhouse", "smothering"...

        In the Froch fight, Ward wasn't even clinching

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        • Ryn0
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          #14
          I don't think it's even competitive, wide UD for Ward.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Kagami Taiga
            This is what happens when people base your whole career off of one fight. You guys, do yourself a favor and watch more Andre Ward fights because this is getting old already.
            I think people automatically assume that anyone who doesn't display much of a two handed attack up close isn't a good inside fighter. That's the mistake they tend to make.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Ryn0
              I don't think it's even competitive, wide UD for Ward.
              On another hand:
              ... did you ever watch Ward fighting someone who won almost all of his fights by KO?... and he's also shifting, on top of that? These are Golovkin and Kovalev. Please announce me when Ward actually enters the ring with one of them.

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              • Dr Rumack
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                I'm not so sure Ward fights aggressively on the inside against Golovkin. I think he would mainly work on the backfoot on the outside and hold inside. Even though he's the bigger man I don't think he tries to win the fight up close. He would make Golovkin follow him and clinch his way out when trapped.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Dr Rumack
                  I'm not so sure Ward fights aggressively on the inside against Golovkin. I think he would mainly work on the backfoot on the outside and hold inside. Even though he's the bigger man I don't think he tries to win the fight up close. He would make Golovkin follow him and clinch his way out when trapped.
                  If Ward were active and hungry I'd pick him. He's just bigger and he's skilled and got plenty of tools.

                  As he isn't it's nebulous but I'd be tempted to say GGG at 168lbs as long as the ref was decent. With a soft ref Ward will tear you up with head, elbows and the like.

                  Ward just doesn't really seem interested to me. If he was eager to take on big challenges, names or even just GGG then he'd have fought more and better opponents in the last few years. Chad was a very good win but since then......

                  A superior but unmotivated fighter will lose against a quality operator who is hungry.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Dr Rumack
                    I'm not so sure Ward fights aggressively on the inside against Golovkin. I think he would mainly work on the backfoot on the outside and hold inside. Even though he's the bigger man I don't think he tries to win the fight up close. He would make Golovkin follow him and clinch his way out when trapped.
                    Golovkin is more dangerous when you give him leverage on his punches, we're seeing that more and more now. I think based off of what we saw against Murray, Monroe and Stevens, Golovkin himself ain't all that on the inside, I think we can already establish that.

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                    • lopetego
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                      #20
                      I think Ward is skilled enough to take GGG the distance

                      and lose a boring UD for being in survival mode for the entire fight against the smaller guy as soon as he feels the sting of GGG's punches

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