Tyson Fury: "Deontay Wilder Is A Bum Who Got Lucky" - Agree Or Disagree?

[1hourRun]

I had said it before that shields would make a difference in szpilka. If anyone doubts that just go look at the jennings fight.... no headmovement whatsoever.

No doubt. I have not seen him so disciplined throughout a fight even during the KO sequence he was executing a gambit. Here he shifts from southpaw to an orthodox stance -- I guess he figured he would gamble by (A). stepping in fast and deep enough to smother Deyontay's right hand or (B). rolling with it and countering with his own hook and having his right ready to deliver another blow : note that these angles where creating opening in Wilders defense during the fight as Szpilka did land on a few attempts so it was feasible despite the results. He dared to be great - even though he failed I cant blame him for trying.

[FlatLine]

No doubt. I have not seen him so disciplined throughout a fight even during the KO sequence he was executing a gambit. Here he shifts from southpaw to an orthodox stance -- I guess he figured he would gamble by (A). stepping in fast and deep enough to smother Deyontay's right hand or (B). rolling with it and countering with his own hook and having his right ready to deliver another blow : note that these angles where creating opening in Wilders defense during the fight as Szpilka did land on a few attempts so it was feasible despite the results. He dared to be great - even though he failed I cant blame him for trying.

Wilder's trainer completely set up that shot for him in the talk in between round 8 and 9 I believe (may have been between 7 and 8). He demonstrated physically to Wilder that Szpilka was ducking to his right, leaving himself open for the chopping right hand. He told Wilder to time Szpilka with that punch and Wilder pretty much executed the move as his trainer instructed. In fact, he was trying that move several times before he finally caught Szpilka clean.

[deathofaclown]

Well, i'd say he was very fortunate to land a title shot based on who he had fought up to that point, but that can be said for other fighters too.


I won't say "lucky" because he still beat who was in front of him and did what he was supposed to do so nobody can really take that away from him. But when you consider what Fury did for his titles compared to Wilder, there's no comparison.

[bigjavi973]

No doubt. I have not seen him so disciplined throughout a fight even during the KO sequence he was executing a gambit. Here he shifts from southpaw to an orthodox stance -- I guess he figured he would gamble by (A). stepping in fast and deep enough to smother Deyontay's right hand or (B). rolling with it and countering with his own hook and having his right ready to deliver another blow : note that these angles where creating opening in Wilders defense during the fight as Szpilka did land on a few attempts so it was feasible despite the results. He dared to be great - even though he failed I cant blame him for trying.

He also, from what i see on the gif... his right hand feint was weak... coulda threw it out there a tad bit more...maybe wilder woulda reacted different....

[Fury4daWIN]

Wilder did it the legit way and he's been fighting to a higher level than Fury albeit Fury has Wladimir and that win tops anything on Wilder resume but If we take Wladimir out of that resume and compare its obvious Wilder has been fighting the better guys.

Is it? I think they have very comparable resumes.

Stiverne v Chisora: Stiverne has the pedigree of being a former title holder, but prior to fighting Wilder his best wins were a clearly on the slide Arreola and a forty something Ray Austin whom he was struggling with prior to the stoppage. Chisora has wins over Helenius, Scott, Gerber and a very strong showing against a faded Vitali. Both Fury and Wilder handled their respective opponents easily, with Wilder claiming a knockdown (not counted) in the early rounds. Not much to separate them IMO.

Scott v Cunningham: tough to separate these two as well. Cunningham is a former CW champ with wins over Huck and Wlodarczyk and HW wins over Adamek, Mansour and (arguably) Glazkov and Tarver. Scott has wins over Thompson, Glazkov and Leapai but has a KO loss to Chisora. Cunningham remains only one of two men to knock down Fury, and has never been KOed before or since that fight. Scott has a KO loss to Chisora and a 1st round KO loss to Wilder, though many believe he took a dive which nullifies the victory really.

Hammer v Duhaupas: both solid, middle of the road guys with a couple of wins over fringe opponents in Charr and Larsen etc. Hammer has a KO loss to Wach, while Duhaupas has a loss to Pianeta early in his career and a competitive loss to Erkan Teper. Fury outclassed Hammer while Wilder had a few issues with Duhaupas.

Abell v Molina: heavy handed journeymen who can put you down but otherwise pose little to no risk. Fury handled his with ease while Wilder got caught early and badly wobbled before rallying back and stopping him late.

Szpilka v ?: Fury doesn't really have anyone like Szpilka on his resume. Though he does have Wlad of course.

Outside that it all gets very murky and pointless to compare.