Comments Thread For: Changes in the New Year: BScene Pound-for-Pound Update

[BoxingIsGreat]

Who has the worst resume of all in this group?

[aboutfkntime]

We had this EXACT conversation 1 month ago LMAO

How time flies

Cliff, I asked this question last month, please publish/confirm your criteria ?

[aboutfkntime]

Who has the worst resume of all in this group?

NASTY question !!

I will leave that question for others to answer

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Laughable at best.

I disagree with anyone who has Roman as #1 even though he has grown on me immensely.

Ward shouldn't be listed at all, by anyone right now. Heck if we list Ward who hasn't fought since the great depression, we should add Maidana since while he is inactive, not one ww beats him.

DeGale, and Estrada? wow.

No Bradley? No JMM? No Cotto?

No GGG who is the rightful p4p king.

And no Fury, even in the "coulda been here" part? After dethroning a top 5 p4p and winning FOTY from Ring? outrageous stuff.

Dudes like southpawhitman, jtheunbiased, swagswag, frank ducketts, and junior gong can put together better lists than this.

[SteveM]

Because, P4P is NOT based on resume.

Guys, we all had this conversation last month

Rigo is there for a similar reason to Ward.

Because the selector(s) are not casual fans, they are knowledgable insiders who have a genuine feel for the game..... they understand that boxing is not a maths name, and that stats are pretty much irrelevant once the bell rings.

Rigo is there because he is very close to the best fighter on the planet.

P4P is largely based on the latin phrase " ceteris Paribus " (all things being equal), with CONSIDERATION given to accomplishments/resume.

Who would win, if all things were equal (size), in a theoretical matchup.

P4P is waaay over-rated, and should not be taken too seriously.

Dude, Golovkin has beaten nobody, neither has Klitschko, neither has Pac.

Golovkin is there solely based on ceteris paribus, and nothing more.

NOTE: I am NOT a Golovkin fan, but I agree with his ranking, although he is 2 spots too high imho.

Yes but the variable is how much consideration is given to resume and accomplishments and how far back in time you should go to rate the same?

I say 2/3 years - maybe more if the fighter is still very active. People saying where's Bradley - and its a good question. Bradley was in the top ten last year so what has changed with him? First he's a year older and his accomplishments from previous years are still there, his resume in the last 2 years has weakened. 3 yrs ago he was fighting Pac, that 3rd year goes out the window and this latest year comes in to replace it - the replacement resume ain't as good as the year going back. But as far as the eye goes he still looks sharp albeit against weaker opponents. No sign (yet) of him dropping off in ability.

With Ward I just think there are too many unknowns. If he still has what he had during the super six he is a shoe in for at least top 5 P4P. That would be the "all things being equal" part - but regards recent resume, I mean since the Dawson fight, there is nothing - and in that time he has had at least two injuries - injuries degrade all of us but especially elite sportsmen as so much of their success is down to fractional superiority, fractionally quicker to let a punch go, fractionally quicker defense reflex. Fighting against an out of condition C class fighter like Smith told us not that much.

Golovkin - I am a fan. Of his intensity, the aggressive style. But I am on record as saying he is over-hyped. I can't argue that P4P should be based on resume and then push for Golovkin to be in P4P. His resume is not bad, string of top ten fighters, and he disposes of them ruthlessly, now if he can beat Canelo that would be noteworthy and he would def merit top 10 P4P.

Rigo can only really be in top 10 P4P on eye test, the Donaire fight was 3 years ago now and he is older and inactive. Maybe we can have a separate P4P for inactive fighters, virtually retired fighters - JMM - and those who say they are retired but would probably come out of retirement for the right fight - Mayweather, Froch.

Inoue has won titles over 2 years over 3 weight classes and he looks more devastating than Golovkin against higher level opposition. He has just come back from a bad injury and totally destroyed a reasonable level opponent in his own weight class. He passes the eye candy test, he recent resume is very good, and his accomplishments are unmatched. Where's the love? Ah yes, he is a little known Japanese fighter in a lower weight class. But if he was transformed to a LMW, MW, SMW he would wreak havoc.

[HeroBando]

Yes but the variable is how much consideration is given to resume and accomplishments and how far back in time you should go to rate the same?

I say 2/3 years - maybe more if the fighter is still very active. People saying where's Bradley - and its a good question. Bradley was in the top ten last year so what has changed with him? First he's a year older and his accomplishments from previous years are still there, his resume in the last 2 years has weakened. 3 yrs ago he was fighting Pac, that 3rd year goes out the window and this latest year comes in to replace it - the replacement resume ain't as good as the year going back. But as far as the eye goes he still looks sharp albeit against weaker opponents. No sign (yet) of him dropping off in ability.

With Ward I just think there are too many unknowns. If he still has what he had during the super six he is a shoe in for at least top 5 P4P. That would be the "all things being equal" part - but regards recent resume, I mean since the Dawson fight, there is nothing - and in that time he has had at least two injuries - injuries degrade all of us but especially elite sportsmen as so much of their success is down to fractional superiority, fractionally quicker to let a punch go, fractionally quicker defense reflex. Fighting against an out of condition C class fighter like Smith told us not that much.

Golovkin - I am a fan. Of his intensity, the aggressive style. But I am on record as saying he is over-hyped. I can't argue that P4P should be based on resume and then push for Golovkin to be in P4P. His resume is not bad, string of top ten fighters, and he disposes of them ruthlessly, now if he can beat Canelo that would be noteworthy and he would def merit top 10 P4P.

Rigo can only really be in top 10 P4P on eye test, the Donaire fight was 3 years ago now and he is older and inactive. Maybe we can have a separate P4P for inactive fighters, virtually retired fighters - JMM - and those who say they are retired but would probably come out of retirement for the right fight - Mayweather, Froch.

Inoue has won titles over 2 years over 3 weight classes and he looks more devastating than Golovkin against higher level opposition. He has just come back from a bad injury and totally destroyed a reasonable level opponent in his own weight class. He passes the eye candy test, he recent resume is very good, and his accomplishments are unmatched. Where's the love? Ah yes, he is a little known Japanese fighter in a lower weight class. But if he was transformed to a LMW, MW, SMW he would wreak havoc.

Why do you bother replying to that insect, never mind with multiple paragraphs? Can't you tell he's hopeless? Pac never beat anyone lok

[Pigeons]

Why is Gennady Golovkin on the P4P list? His best wins are Martin Murray and David Lemieux. Go take a look at the bums that have defeated Martin Murray and David Lemieux in their careers.

[aboutfkntime]

Yes but the variable is how much consideration is given to resume and accomplishments and how far back in time you should go to rate the same?

I say 2/3 years - maybe more if the fighter is still very active. People saying where's Bradley - and its a good question. Bradley was in the top ten last year so what has changed with him? First he's a year older and his accomplishments from previous years are still there, his resume in the last 2 years has weakened. 3 yrs ago he was fighting Pac, that 3rd year goes out the window and this latest year comes in to replace it - the replacement resume ain't as good as the year going back. But as far as the eye goes he still looks sharp albeit against weaker opponents. No sign (yet) of him dropping off in ability.

With Ward I just think there are too many unknowns. If he still has what he had during the super six he is a shoe in for at least top 5 P4P. That would be the "all things being equal" part - but regards recent resume, I mean since the Dawson fight, there is nothing - and in that time he has had at least two injuries - injuries degrade all of us but especially elite sportsmen as so much of their success is down to fractional superiority, fractionally quicker to let a punch go, fractionally quicker defense reflex. Fighting against an out of condition C class fighter like Smith told us not that much.

Golovkin - I am a fan. Of his intensity, the aggressive style. But I am on record as saying he is over-hyped. I can't argue that P4P should be based on resume and then push for Golovkin to be in P4P. His resume is not bad, string of top ten fighters, and he disposes of them ruthlessly, now if he can beat Canelo that would be noteworthy and he would def merit top 10 P4P.

Rigo can only really be in top 10 P4P on eye test, the Donaire fight was 3 years ago now and he is older and inactive. Maybe we can have a separate P4P for inactive fighters, virtually retired fighters - JMM - and those who say they are retired but would probably come out of retirement for the right fight - Mayweather, Froch.

Inoue has won titles over 2 years over 3 weight classes and he looks more devastating than Golovkin against higher level opposition. He has just come back from a bad injury and totally destroyed a reasonable level opponent in his own weight class. He passes the eye candy test, he recent resume is very good, and his accomplishments are unmatched. Where's the love? Ah yes, he is a little known Japanese fighter in a lower weight class. But if he was transformed to a LMW, MW, SMW he would wreak havoc.

" P4P "..... IS, an eye test.

It is completely theoretical.

I will say AGAIN..... Golovkin is ranked COMPLETELY on the " eye test " because he has beaten absolutely nobody.

P4P is waaay over-rated..... especially on this site.

[aboutfkntime]

Why is Gennady Golovkin on the P4P list? His best wins are Martin Murray and David Lemieux. Go take a look at the bums that have defeated Martin Murray and David Lemieux in their careers.

BINGO !!


Gennady Golovkin is obviously one of the best fighters on the planet.


But really..... just how good is he ?

I doubt that we will ever know.


He is certainly not ranked on merit, he is ranked on style/skill, with consideration given to form.


I say again..... P4P is waaaaay over-rated..... which shouldn't surprise too many people, considering that it is completely hypothetical.

[therealpugilist]

Andre Ward #3? That's unfair to the other fighters who stayed active and fought since 2011. Beat Rodriguez and (out of shape) Smith that's his recent resume. Funny thing I agree with the rest except chocolatito for #5 or 6 and Estrada #10.

If you feel that way, how do you feel about GGG being behind him with his best CAREER win being Martin Freaking Murray...didn't know the eye test took themthat far....supposed to be quality of opposition


Estrada has fought better fighters than GGG and also has a better resume