Is Sugar Ray Leonard overrated?

[The Big Dunn]

Ward and Rigo are TEN TIMES the fighter than Pernell is dude Lol! Pernell is a flashy, bob n weave, showboat for the audience, defensive wizard!

Defensive wizards are so overrated, and always gets their azzes whipped trying to look cute. Floyd aint no defensive wizard imo! He is a fullblown tactician that stands in front of you without getting grazed! Changes his entire fighting style for 49 different opponents, and dominates them all easily, even when they were half his age and 15lbs heavier!

We have to remember Pernell is so overrated, he has about 5 fights in his entire career where he looked ALMOST as sharp as Floyd!

Pernell is FAR from a Ward, Rigo, Crawford! Ward is a slower, less athletic version of Mayweather imo!

This era is so much better than the 80s! Its just that the fab four were all in weight classes where they could go up and down and fight eachother!

NONE of the fab four are as good as Ward, Floyd, Rigo, Crawford, or even Loma, its just that the fighters in THIS weight class are in WAAAY different weight classes! So you wont see Crawford fighting Ward and Rigo!

I think this era is the first era in boxing where you got SEVERAL perfect tacticians! Intelligent fighters who cant be touched! I think Floyd was the introduction to this new breed of perfect fighters like Ward, Rigo, Crawford!

They are his bastard children! In fact, imagine Rigo fighting in the 80s, they would be SHOCKED that he even exists! They arent used to tactical fighters who are almost ghostly when you try to touch them! Rigo aint no damnn Benitez, that would be insulting!

But we werent shocked when we saw Rigo, because Floyd has been around showing our era what boxing could be! Even a guy like Lara, who is trash in our era, would be very effective in the 80s! I could imagine All of the fab four complaining about him running and mad because they have problems trying to touch him!

And to me, Lara is just a very effective bum imo!

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[bojangles1987]

Ward and Rigo are TEN TIMES the fighter than Pernell is dude Lol! Pernell is a flashy, bob n weave, showboat for the audience, defensive wizard!

Defensive wizards are so overrated, and always gets their azzes whipped trying to look cute. Floyd aint no defensive wizard imo! He is a fullblown tactician that stands in front of you without getting grazed! Changes his entire fighting style for 49 different opponents, and dominates them all easily, even when they were half his age and 15lbs heavier!

We have to remember Pernell is so overrated, he has about 5 fights in his entire career where he looked ALMOST as sharp as Floyd!

Pernell is FAR from a Ward, Rigo, Crawford! Ward is a slower, less athletic version of Mayweather imo!

This era is so much better than the 80s! Its just that the fab four were all in weight classes where they could go up and down and fight eachother!

NONE of the fab four are as good as Ward, Floyd, Rigo, Crawford, or even Loma, its just that the fighters in THIS weight class are in WAAAY different weight classes! So you wont see Crawford fighting Ward and Rigo!

I think this era is the first era in boxing where you got SEVERAL perfect tacticians! Intelligent fighters who cant be touched! I think Floyd was the introduction to this new breed of perfect fighters like Ward, Rigo, Crawford!

They are his bastard children! In fact, imagine Rigo fighting in the 80s, they would be SHOCKED that he even exists! They arent used to tactical fighters who are almost ghostly when you try to touch them! Rigo aint no damnn Benitez, that would be insulting!

But we werent shocked when we saw Rigo, because Floyd has been around showing our era what boxing could be! Even a guy like Lara, who is trash in our era, would be very effective in the 80s! I could imagine All of the fab four complaining about him running and mad because they have problems trying to touch him!

And to me, Lara is just a very effective bum imo!

Hello, Elroy.

[Johnny2x2x]

What I'm thinking... The end of a mans career can't completely define his legacy. Leonard was great to watch, and fought the best possible opposition which lead to some of the best fights of the 80's. Leonard although got what people may have seen as a gift against Hagler put on other great fights against Duran, Hearns, Mayweather, and Benitez. His speed was great, power was good, great footwork, great combinations and a good boxing IQ cemented by a great trainer in Dundee. Fighter of the year in 79 in which the man fought 8 times (8 f***ing times) and again in 81. Why argue his legacy?

I'm a Sugar Ray fan, but best possible competition? Nope. Avoided several fighters including Aaron Pryor, and fought several others with advantages, and waited Hagler out until he was past his peak.

Great fighter, all time top 10, but like every other fighter out there, there were guys he didn't fight for one reason or another, and he made sure he fought guys at the right time or had other advantages.

[BigAlexSand]

I'm a Sugar Ray fan, but best possible competition? Nope. Avoided several fighters including Aaron Pryor, and fought several others with advantages, and waited Hagler out until he was past his peak.

Great fighter, all time top 10, but like every other fighter out there, there were guys he didn't fight for one reason or another, and he made sure he fought guys at the right time or had other advantages.

As does every fighter... That's the fight game and what makes it appealing. The idea of an underdog defeating a boxer that everyone glorify makes for historical fights.

[Chrismart]

So this week..Duran is overrated, Sugar Ray is overrated, Sweet Pea is overrated.
And Ward, Floyd, Rigo, Crawford and Loma are better than the 'Fab four'.

You have just got to love NBS sometimes

[intoccabile]

I'm a Sugar Ray fan, but best possible competition? Nope. Avoided several fighters including Aaron Pryor, and fought several others with advantages, and waited Hagler out until he was past his peak.

Great fighter, all time top 10, but like every other fighter out there, there were guys he didn't fight for one reason or another, and he made sure he fought guys at the right time or had other advantages.

They offered Aaron a nice amount of money to fight, he didn't take it.
Can't duck a dude who isn't even campaigning in your weight class, man. Pryor lucky they even offered him a deal in the first place.

[MurkaMan]

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Hello, Elroy.

So this week..Duran is overrated, Sugar Ray is overrated, Sweet Pea is overrated.
And Ward, Floyd, Rigo, Crawford and Loma are better than the 'Fab four'.


You have just got to love NBS sometimes

Ten times better! Their was NO SUCH thing as fighters like Ward, Floyd, Rigo, and Crawford in that era! Stop the silliness bro!

Im not Elroy! I agree with everything he says for the most part, but his direct reasons are a little bit different from mine!

Im not one who lies about the throwback being magically better than they actually are! If Floyd and Pac fought in their eras, those fighters would be completely shocked by their skillset!

The better these fighters evolve, the more we sweep current fighters under the rug in hopes of hyping up the throwback fighters, and those fighters are simply not as good as Floyd and Pac, period! Everyone knows Roy Jones doesnt have reflexes even CLOSE to Floyd's! Floyd fights like a cartoon character! Roy simply has fast hands, a great pull counter(which compliments his reflexes), and a great check hook!

The more Floyd seperated himself from Roy, people just woke up one day and began to lie as if Roy was moving like Floyd. Floyd is basically shapeless, the way he liquifies himself between punches!

Pernell has about five or six fights in his entire resume in which he looks almost as sharp as Floyd! He used to get hit all the time, and win in sloppy ways! But a few yrs ago, you all woke up and started pretending that he was on Floyd's level!

Floyd faced 49 different opponents, over the course of 19yrs, and completely changed his fighting style for each opponent, and dominated them without being touched! Floyd's simply better than them all, by landslide, even Pac is!

[MurkaMan]

As does every fighter... That's the fight game and what makes it appealing. The idea of an underdog defeating a boxer that everyone glorify makes for historical fights.

Unlike SRL, Floyd faces back to back young bigazz guys who outweigh him by 15lbs! Floyd comes off layoffs and dominates young giants, when he is basically a shell of himself!

Every Floyd fight, he has the deck stacked against him! Size, weight, age, or coming off of a long period of inactivity! SRL has great legends on his resume, but he has power to hurt his guys! Floyd dominates people he shouldnt even beat, on pure skill!

And due to the circumstances of his victories, I always thought his resume was waaay tougher! I have him as GOAT for how sharp he was, and against whoam!

When Floyd was young, everyone said he was the next SRL, So they projected everything he did, onto Floyd! Its like Floyd had to pay, for all the ducking and dodging SRL used to do! Floyd dont care if you old, young, big, small, he is going to humiliate your azz!!

[!! Shawn]

good to know your opinion, understood! my point was just that people tend to overrate ray Leonard more when Floyds name comes up, I see it all the time, "Floyd couldn't hold rays jock strap" or he's nowhere near his level of talent, your argument is a different one, it deals with resumes.

its really pathetic that it could even even come down to that. I mean even Rigondeaux has more meaningful wins than Floyd does.

Duran vs Leonard I was probably the two most skilled fighters every to share a ring on the same night in the same place in all of boxing history. Leonard came up short, just barely. But he changed and won the 2nd fight easily.

Leonard beat an unbeatable beast in hearns, who through his whole career was never outboxed by anyone, thats how skilled a technician he was. Beat Wilfred Bintez, one of the most elusive Virtuoso boxing prodigies of all time.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

its really pathetic that it could even even come down to that. I mean even Rigondeaux has more meaningful wins than Floyd does.

Duran vs Leonard I was probably the two most skilled fighters every to share a ring on the same night in the same place in all of boxing history. Leonard came up short, just barely. But he changed and won the 2nd fight easily.

Leonard beat an unbeatable beast in hearns, who through his whole career was never outboxed by anyone, thats how skilled a technician he was. Beat Wilfred Bintez, one of the most elusive Virtuoso boxing prodigies of all time.

okay man have a blessed weekend