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  • DLT
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    My Thoughts on Floyd vs Zab

    Just wathced it for the 1st time and I have some comments. As many of you know Floyd has always been my favorite fighter but Zab is also on my 2nd tier of guys, so I like to see him do well also.

    1st off Ill talk about the melee. From all the articles Ive read and all of what the fans said, I actually expected more. It was just a littile thing that really didnt seem that big to me. Something else I noticed and I havent heard anyone talk about was that right before that low blow, Floyd hit Zab kind of low and I actually think that may have got Zab mad and he was losing anyway and just wanted to hit Floy low as hard as he could. If you watch it back, look for it right before the low blow.

    As for the fight I thought Zab fought well but then I think he got like most guys who fight Floyd and that is he starts to get mezmerized by Floyd's defense and speed. Zab is fast too and maybe even faster but he's still not use to seeing anyone else that fast and you couple that with Floyds high hands and it makes you hesitate to throw punches. It was kind of awesome because I thought Floyd started to intimidate Zab. Zab was intimidate by Floyds high hands and constant pressure. Even Lennox harped on it alot. Lennox would say "Zab throws a combo but Floyd's still right there". Zab has so much power that hes use to walking guys down but everytime he would throw anything, Floyd would immediatly start walking towards him. It intimidated him because most guys are going away from his power.


    From Floyds end I feel different then alot of guys. People who werent impressed by Floyd in this fight or who think Margarito can beat him because of this fight are insane. This fight for Floyd was all about respect. Respect for Zab's speed & power, and mainly respect for Zab being a lefty. I talk about lefty's on here alot and Im telling you that its a completely different fight.

    What I saw is Floyd at 1st struggling with Zabs southpaw style but then in the 5th round he adjusted and made everything shorter and compact. Alot of people also say that Floyd doesnt have the pop at 147. I disagree. What I saw is Floyd not wanting to punch hard. He wanted to throw short compact punches but not put anything behind them because that would leave him vulnerable. He also had less pop because he changed his defense for this fight. He wanted to keep his hands up to prevent from being hit blind by that straight left. Keeping your hands up makes you throw short, quick, punches with not much power. Perfect example is Winky Wright. When you have that defensive style then most of the times you wont have many KO's unless you are a very heavy handed puncher like Ike. He was more worried about scoring and winning rounds then hurting Zab. He knew he had to sacrafice his power for his defense against a lefty with dangerous power.

    He had alot of respect for Zab because when hes standing head on, he is looking right at Zab's left being ****ed back. He knew if he made any mistake or put alot behind a punch that Zab could catch him square on his chin and it would hurt bad. In round 1, Floyd has his hands up and Zab caught him straight down the pipe from a punch that Floyd couldnt see just because Zab is a lefty and from then on, Floyd knew he couldnt make any mistakes because that punch is there almost all night, just like it is for Pac. Then in the 9th round Floyd threw a straight right, Zab leaned back and immediatly threw a missle at Floyd but he ducked it. Thats why Floyd fought cautious all night because leftys can hit you with that punch but a righty cant. That was awesome awearness by Floyd because as soon as he threw the straight right, he ducked and if he didnt then he wouldve been in trouble.

    I dont think Margarito has more power then Zab but alot of people do, so for this argument we will act like Margarito does have more power. Even though Margarito has more power, Floyd will show him much less respect, he wont fight cautious, and he will throw punches with alot more power. Why? Because he is a righty. It changes everything. For all the skill, speed, and power that Zab has, if he was a righty then you wouldve saw a totally different Mayweather but everything is so backwards against a lefty and when they catch you it will be head on.

    If Zab is right handed then Floyd can swing hard because even if Zab counters or Floyd misses, then Floyd can see the punch coming. You can also easily block a right hand punch because it is coming right over your left shoulder. Thats why he rolls so well. Against a lefty, its not coming over your shoulder but straight down the pipe and is much harder to block.

    I bet anyone anything that even though Margarito is bigger, stronger, and hits harder then Zab, that Floyd will still go at him, not fight cautious, show him no respect, and land much harder punches just for the simple fact that he knows that he can block Margarito's punches, he can see them coming, they have to come over his shoulder, and he wont hit him with anything square on like a lefty can. Even if they do land flush, it wont hurt as much because its not a blind punch. He can brace himself for it.


    So basically for me this was a good performance to show you how well balanced Floyd is and how smart he is but if you are looking at is as a negative you are insane because he will not fight this way at all against a righty and he will swing much harder. So if you think Floyd is overrated after this fight or that he hasnt looked great at 147, it is only because he fought 2 leftys. He looked better against Mitchell because he knew Sharmba didnt have the power to hurt him but Zab does.

    Again, this fight was all about the respect for Zab being a lefty. If you dont think that matters and if you dont want to show a good lefty respect then go ask Wlad, Roy Jones, MAB, JMM, and EM how does it feel to get hit head on by that straight left that will put you to sleep. Its hard to block and it lands flush down the pipe. NO righty can do that to you and e****ally a good defensive fighter but a lefty can
    Last edited by DLT; 04-16-2006, 03:00 AM.
  • Tha Greatest
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    #2
    When you said one must be insane to think Margarito will beat Floyd, I lost credibility for you.

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    • DLT
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      #3
      Originally posted by Tha Greatest
      When you said one must be insane to think Margarito will beat Floyd, I lost credibility for you.
      I dont think Margarito has any chance against Floyd but that is not what I meant in my initial thread.

      What I meant was if you think that Floyd cant beat Margarito based on what you saw in the Zab fight then you are insane because he fought Zab that way because he was a lefty and had speed & power to go with it but mostly because he was a lefty

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      • DLT
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        #4
        Originally posted by Tha Greatest
        When you said one must be insane to think Margarito will beat Floyd, I lost credibility for you.
        Its Over!!!!!!

        I told you guys I picked us in 6 "at the most"(and that is how I wrote it on the 1st time I made that post as to say it could be less then 6 but probally 6) because I didnt think they could beat us at home, so we will have 3 wins there and all we would have to do is win one of the 1st 3 games in Cleveland which we would surely do. I said that in 2 years they havent come close to winning in D.C. but we havent beaten them each year in Cleveland. Now look. Let me give you Cavs fans a tip about the playoffs: Wait until you win both home games to celebrate and talk trash. Ive never seen or head so much trash talk from a team that won game 1 at home, like they were supposed to lose? Now you lost the HCA and look like fools.

        Now lets get to all this other crazy stuff I heard. "I told you our D will shut the big 3 down. They didnt play bad, we just can defend so well at those 3 spots and Hughes can shut down Arenas". I dont even have to say anything about that because its so obvious. These clowns cant even recognize a bad game when they see one.
        Last edited by DLT; 04-25-2006, 03:17 AM.

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        • The Fix
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          #5
          summarize that book of yours please...

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          • Mech.
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            #6
            Originally posted by The Fix
            summarize that book of yours please...
            lol.

            Nah he makes good points,read thru it.

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            • LondonRingRules
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              It's a decent analysis mixed with a little too much hot air.

              The biggest difference between Margarito and Zab is not the southpaw stance but sheer size and strength. Margarito has nothing to fear from Zab or Floyd. He would just walk them down and pound them out. They can only outbox him for so long. It's man vs boy.

              Floyd ain't no Wilfredo Benitez or Sweetpea defensive genius. He's in a division too big for him and that will show as soon as he steps up his comp. Zab was still fighting strongly in the last round, an indication that Floyd's bodywork had zip effect on him. Baldy is the guy who hurt Zab and put him on the run, not Floyd.

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              • TyrantT316
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                #8
                Originally posted by LondonRingRules
                It's a decent analysis mixed with a little too much hot air.

                The biggest difference between Margarito and Zab is not the southpaw stance but sheer size and strength. Margarito has nothing to fear from Zab or Floyd. He would just walk them down and pound them out. They can only outbox him for so long. It's man vs boy.

                Floyd ain't no Wilfredo Benitez or Sweetpea defensive genius. He's in a division too big for him and that will show as soon as he steps up his comp. Zab was still fighting strongly in the last round, an indication that Floyd's bodywork had zip effect on him. Baldy is the guy who hurt Zab and put him on the run, not Floyd.
                that was supposed to be the case with Castillo...

                if Castillo's chin is so granite and Floyd hits like mayfeathers...then Castillo could have just walked through everything even in the rematch and bombed Floyd out of there with his power...

                is Gatti's chin is do decent and has taken harder punches from bigger punchers...then he would have just walked through and laughed off Floyd's punches...

                any man with two hands and intentions on hitting you CAN hurt you...it is just a matter of how much

                I don't know why people are so surprised that Floyd lost 4 rounds to Zab?

                Zab is the only one from 135-154 who can match speed if not exceed Floyd's speed...of course Floyd would get touched a bit...but was he puffy? no...because he took his punches in the first 4 rounds...then began making Zab miss those straight lefts, etc...

                Floyd was NEVER out to prove that he is the fastest guy...as he said...fights are not about speed or power...they are about chin, heart, and smartness...

                Power is not the issue in a Floyd fight...he saw that vs Gatti, Corrales, Castillo and Zab....

                Speed is not the issue as we saw vs Zab

                Floyd is too smart of a fighter...on top of that he is just faster than most...

                last time I checked, everyone's superhero Zab Judah was busted up the majority of the fight

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                • MusclesMalone
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                  #9
                  more bandwagoners thinking margarito will beat floyd. if he fights floyd, floyd will make him look like a fool. he'll move around all night cracking him with hard punches.

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                  • LondonRingRules
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                    =====if Castillo's chin is so granite and Floyd hits like mayfeathers...then Castillo could have just walked through everything even in the rematch and bombed Floyd out of there with his power..=====

                    ** Ain't no IF in Castillo. He does have a granite chin, but he's just too small to hurt Floyd enough to put him out. Margarito is a much bigger, stronger guy 2 divisions over Castillo. Hard to believe Floyd's jock sniffers can't figure that out.

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