If you were not influenced by existing rankings; What would your Top 10 P4P be?

[-Kev-]

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Sergey Kovalev
3. Saul Alvarez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Juan Francisco Estrada
6. Terence Crawford
7. Gennady Golovkin
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Shinsuke Yamanaka
10. James Degale

Yup, no Ward or Rigo on my list

And that's absolutely fine!

The thread objective is for fans who have different views, and form their own opinions on the current P4P lists to come in here and post them. If you(not you in particular) agree with the rest of the media and fans P4P lists, good for you, move on, don't post. Or copy and paste the list, whatever.

Thanks for sharing your list.

[boliodogs]

Knowing who the absolute best is, without a doubt - no opinions involved, would actually be an incredible feat as a fan. Nobody knows who the absolute top 10 best fighters are. Those who are getting angry at their favorite fighters not being mentioned in some top 10 lists are just upset that another person does not share the same opinion as them. Which is sad, disagree respectfully and move the **** on, with no petty name calling.

If it's someone's opinion that Gonzalez or GGG are top 10 fighters, and it's my opinion that they are not, big ****ing deal. I'm not impressed with Golovkin's resume enough to put him as one of the top 10 fighters in the sport. I'm not impressed with Gonzalez wrecking 35 year olds in the past 3 years.

If somebody in here knows who the top 10 fighters are, they deserve a medal, better yet a spot as an analyst somewhere. Can't tell me who you think the best fighters are, are the actual best fighters. Many fans have distorted views on boxing and don't exactly look at things from a fair perspective, more of a personal preference of styles and other aspects. If you like a certain style, you're more likely to choose a top fighter that closely resembles the style you like rather than a top fighter that closely resembles the style you don't like.

Knowing who is the best without a doubt would not only be an incredible feat it would be an absolutely impossible feat. Nobody knows for sure who is better until to fighters fight in the ring. If you are comparing fighters of different weights they can't fight each other. Who is pound for pound best will always be strictly guessing and opinions with no way of proving a thing unless you are comparing two fighters who actually fought each other. Not everybody agrees that Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest pfp of all time. Some think others were better and nobody can prove them wrong.

[-Kev-]

Knowing who is the best without a doubt would not only be an incredible feat it would be an absolutely impossible feat. Nobody knows for sure who is better until to fighters fight in the ring. If you are comparing fighters of different weights they can't fight each other. Who is pound for pound best will always be strictly guessing and opinions with no way of proving a thing unless you are comparing two fighters who actually fought each other. Not everybody agrees that Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest pfp of all time. Some think others were better and nobody can prove them wrong.

And it's really that simle.

[boliodogs]

Knowing who the absolute best is, without a doubt - no opinions involved, would actually be an incredible feat as a fan. Nobody knows who the absolute top 10 best fighters are. Those who are getting angry at their favorite fighters not being mentioned in some top 10 lists are just upset that another person does not share the same opinion as them. Which is sad, disagree respectfully and move the **** on, with no petty name calling.

If it's someone's opinion that Gonzalez or GGG are top 10 fighters, and it's my opinion that they are not, big ****ing deal. I'm not impressed with Golovkin's resume enough to put him as one of the top 10 fighters in the sport. I'm not impressed with Gonzalez wrecking 35 year olds in the past 3 years.

If somebody in here knows who the top 10 fighters are, they deserve a medal, better yet a spot as an analyst somewhere. Can't tell me who you think the best fighters are, are the actual best fighters. Many fans have distorted views on boxing and don't exactly look at things from a fair perspective, more of a personal preference of styles and other aspects. If you like a certain style, you're more likely to choose a top fighter that closely resembles the style you like rather than a top fighter that closely resembles the style you don't like.

They say it's the eye test, but then when you think about it, what makes Bradley better than Thurman? Or, how does GGG look better than Ward? In what way does Crawford look better than Canelo? It's the eye test, but then it's not the eye test. It feels more like the KO test. You KO lower opposition, you are better than a guy who may have struggled to get a close win over better opposition than you are knocking out. So the logic behind top websites P4P lists is flawed badly. It's pretty much who can rack up more KO's, who keep winning by KO's, that's the vibe I get from websites and most fans lists. It's not about who you have beaten. It's how you're beating your opponents, regardless of level of difficulty.

How does GGG look better than Ward you ask. GGG hits with tremendous power with any punch from either hand. His jab ,his left hook, his straight right and his uppercuts and body punches with either hand are all extremely hard and he has the highest KO percentage of any champion. Ward is a converted southpaw with a reasonably hard left hook that is not really a big punch. His right seldom hurts anybody. Ward is not a big puncher and seldom scores knockdowns on first class opponents. That is how GGG is better than Ward. He hits much harder with either hand and gets the KO every time. Also GGG has never been hurt or down in any fight while Ward has been knocked down and hurt by a fighter with a losing record and a very low KO percentage.

[-Kev-]

How does GGG look better than Ward you ask. GGG hits with tremendous power with any punch from either hand. His jab ,his left hook, his straight right and his uppercuts and body punches with either hand are all extremely hard and he has the highest KO percentage of any champion. Ward is a converted southpaw with a reasonably hard left hook that is not really a big punch. His right seldom hurts anybody. Ward is not a big puncher and seldom scores knockdowns on first class opponents. That is how GGG is better than Ward. He hits much harder with either hand and gets the KO every time. Also GGG has never been hurt or down in any fight while Ward has been knocked down and hurt by a fighter with a losing record and a very low KO percentage.

You just confirmed what I already stated in this thread. Look at the keywords why you think GGG is better: KO percentage, hits hard, big punch, Ward not a big puncher, doesn't score knockdowns, GGG hits harder, gets KO's every time. This is your post in a nutshell. And this is exactly what I mean.

You also said Ward seldom scores KD's on first class opponents, Golovkin has never fought a first class opponent.

[boliodogs]

How does GGG look better than Ward you ask. GGG hits with tremendous power with any punch from either hand. His jab ,his left hook, his straight right and his uppercuts and body punches with either hand are all extremely hard and he has the highest KO percentage of any champion. Ward is a converted southpaw with a reasonably hard left hook that is not really a big punch. His right seldom hurts anybody. Ward is not a big puncher and seldom scores knockdowns on first class opponents. That is how GGG is better than Ward. He hits much harder with either hand and gets the KO every time. Also GGG has never been hurt or down in any fight while Ward has been knocked down and hurt by a fighter with a losing record and a very low KO percentage.

To be fair to Ward, punching power is only a part of overall fighting ability. Ward gets hit less than GGG and he has a tighter defense. Ward is better than GGG on defense.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

1 kovolev
2 Ward
3 rigo
4 roman
5 ggg
6 manny
7 bradley
8 crawford
9 canelo
10 lomachenko

[Showtime..]

PAC
Kov
Roman
Bradley
Rigo
Golovkin
Bud
Estrada

My 8.

[j0zef]

You just confirmed what I already stated in this thread. Look at the keywords why you think GGG is better: KO percentage, hits hard, big punch, Ward not a big puncher, doesn't score knockdowns, GGG hits harder, gets KO's every time. This is your post in a nutshell. And this is exactly what I mean.

You also said Ward seldom scores KD's on first class opponents, Golovkin has never fought a first class opponent.

What's your reason for including a disgrace like Adonis Stevenson in your top 10?
His best wins are the ghost of Chad Dawson and Fonfara, and has a loss to Boone on his record.

To be fair to Ward, punching power is only a part of overall fighting ability. Ward gets hit less than GGG and he has a tighter defense. Ward is better than GGG on defense.

Heh, look up some stats. I think you'll be surprised how little Golovkin actually gets hit.

So there's no confusion, I do think Ward a better defender (mostly due to jab/clinch). But the difference between them isn't huge, not nearly as big as the difference in their reputations.

To people on NSB, Ward's a SMW version of Floyd while Golovkin is Rocky when he was fighting Clubber Lang.

[just the facts]

The surest way to get arguments going and posters fighting is to have everybody list their top ten pfp. Actually pfp is just personal opinion and can't possibly be proven right or wrong so there really is no right or wrong lists. How do you prove a flyweight is better than a middleweight when they fight a completely different group of fighters? I will post my top ten expecting to have one or more posters tell me it's wrong. If they do my answer is it's right for me and I don't really care who disagrees with it. 1st Gonzalez 2nd GGG 3rd Kovalev 4th Rigo 5th Canelo 6th Pacquiao 7th Ward 8th Walters 9th Santa Cruz 10th Lomo. Canelo is ranked above Pacquiao because he gets better every fight while Pacquiao is still very good but is showing his age more with every fight. Ward is clearly a very good fighter and would be higher but it has been so many years since he beat a real good fighter that I am not sure how good he still is. A good win by Ward would raise him up.

g string has never beat a real good fighter and you have him at #2?