Why do certain posters want PBC to fail and get happy if they have low numbers?

[The Big Dunn]

NOT telling you how to answer the question. Just trying to determine if there is any purpose in continuing the discussion. It appears there is not.

There is, its just you can't admit you are wrong to equate boxer's purses with a price tag on retail merchandise to make your argument about Haymon fighter's being overpaid have some validity.

Haymon affiliated fighters get more because Haymon's cut comes out of the purse. Promoted fighters get less because the promoter's money comes out of the total take.

Its just a different model, one that threatens the big promoters.

[OnePunch]

There is, its just you can't admit you are wrong to equate boxer's purses with a price tag on retail merchandise to make your argument about Haymon fighter's being overpaid have some validity.

Haymon affiliated fighters get more because Haymon's cut comes out of the purse. Promoted fighters get less because the promoter's money comes out of the total take.

Its just a different model, one that threatens the big promoters.

Its not even a Haymon thing, he just happens to be the guy doing it at the moment. I remember back when I was still promoting and Golden Boy came on the scene. They started paying ****** money for opponents, and alot of us were annoyed, because it impacted our ability to get quality opponents for our own shows. It came up in conversation many times at the BPA meetings. Opponents wouldnt take fights, and opted to just sit and wait for the next GB show they could get on. It affected the ability to develop talent, because you simply cant pay $7500 for a 6 round opponent for your 6-1 kid. Ultimately GB migrated to more sensible payscales and things got back to normal. But dont think for a second that those purses occur in a vacuum. It does have an effect. No different than if McDonalds started paying $25 an hour for cashiers, it would have an effect on the labor force in those areas

[The Big Dunn]

Its not even a Haymon thing, he just happens to be the guy doing it at the moment. I remember back when I was still promoting and Golden Boy came on the scene. They started paying ****** money for opponents, and alot of us were annoyed, because it impacted our ability to get quality opponents for our own shows. It came up in conversation many times at the BPA meetings. Opponents wouldnt take fights, and opted to just sit and wait for the next GB show they could get on. It affected the ability to develop talent, because you simply cant pay $7500 for a 6 round opponent for your 6-1 kid. Ultimately GB migrated to more sensible payscales and things got back to normal. But dont think for a second that those purses occur in a vacuum. It does have an effect. No different than if McDonalds started paying $25 an hour for cashiers, it would have an effect on the labor force in those areas

YOU couldn't afford to pay that but Haymon might be able. The issue is YOUR lack of resources, not them overpaying.

If you can't compete, you can't compete. That sucks but that is the reality.

If McDonalds did that-the affect is they would get a huge increase in applications and good cashiers would leave their jobs to go to Mc'd's. If you wanted to retain the cashier-meet that fee or lose out.

Sorry dude but that is how capitalism works in America. It may not always be fair.

[SeekDaGreat]

Once it fails??? this is what im talking about..why would you even post something like that and how did he fragment the sport?

Is he willing to make deals with TR and GBP? He basically created his own league. Is that good? I dint know why people want to see him fail, but there's a positive and a negative to what he did. On one hand, he gave us more boxing but on the other hand, he divided the sport. So I think people resent the latter.

Then there's the banner fans. Top Rank fanboys (Manny fanboys) hate Al Haymon (and Floyd, yes Floyd is still associated even in retirement.) And vice versa.

Personally, I don't care...

[j0zef]

YOU couldn't afford to pay that but Haymon might be able. The issue is YOUR lack of resources, not them overpaying.

If you can't compete, you can't compete. That sucks but that is the reality.

If McDonalds did that-the affect is they would get a huge increase in applications and good cashiers would leave their jobs to go to Mc'd's. If you wanted to retain the cashier-meet that fee or lose out.

Sorry dude but that is how capitalism works in America. It may not always be fair.

Hm.. Not exactly a good comparison. Capitalism works on the assumption that you make money in your business strategy. What Haymon is doing is more like a big corporate chain coming in, cutting their prices so low as to take a loss and drive all the local mom-and-pop shops out of business. Once they are out of business, they hike their prices back up.

HBO/other promoters pay their fighters and takes a cut that allows them to function as a profitable organization. PBC loses quite a lot of money, quite often.

The first example is illegal in quite a lot of industries in America - for example, FERC regulates energy prices throughout the US to prevent big players from driving smaller competitors out of business. Apologies for off-topic example, but it's one I'm intimately familiar with

[Motofan]

Some fans would loudly back PBC up even if it were Danny Garcia against a different actual garbage man every week. On the other hand, some people would find fault in any fight PBC puts on. Its just reality. Homers exist on both sides and you're all posers. As for me, I don't want anything boxing to fail. My beef is mostly due to in house fights with recycled "opponents" coupled with a presentation that seems like a mix between UFC and a toughman competition. I know I'm not supposed to care about bad announcers and silly ring walks with no in ring announcer, but I do. Also, HUGE money for guys to take low risk fights until they get exposed is good for nobody other than that fighters bank account. No good for the fans, or for growing the sport. PBC can be a great thing, but it needs to make some adjustments.

[OnePunch]

YOU couldn't afford to pay that but Haymon might be able. The issue is YOUR lack of resources, not them overpaying.

If you can't compete, you can't compete. That sucks but that is the reality.

If McDonalds did that-the affect is they would get a huge increase in applications and good cashiers would leave their jobs to go to Mc'd's. If you wanted to retain the cashier-meet that fee or lose out.

Sorry dude but that is how capitalism works in America. It may not always be fair.

well considering that Dibella, Shaw, Deguardia, Pelullo, and every other member of the BPA complained about the same problem, sure, it was just me. When any one entity skews the pay scale it affects EVERY other promoter, whether they can afford it or not. Nobody like losing money.

But go ahead and crack jokes. Much easier than critical thinking.

[The Big Dunn]

Hm.. Not exactly a good comparison. Capitalism works on the assumption that you make money in your business strategy. What Haymon is doing is more like a big corporate chain coming in, cutting their prices so low as to take a loss and drive all the local mom-and-pop shops out of business. Once they are out of business, they hike their prices back up.

HBO/other promoters pay their fighters and takes a cut that allows them to function as a profitable organization. PBC loses quite a lot of money, quite often.

The first example is illegal in quite a lot of industries in America - for example, FERC regulates energy prices throughout the US to prevent big players from driving smaller competitors out of business. Apologies for off-topic example, but it's one I'm intimately familiar with

Ok, that's done in America on a daily basis.

HBO lost money when they started as well, as do most businesses. They then turned a profit and grew. Maybe the same happens to PBC.

OK, its illegal in certain industries. That doesn't make it illegal in boxing. In NJ, the gun and drug laws are different than in Colorado and Washington.

The point is-if OP can't afford to pay that sucks. Arum and ODH surely can afford it.

[PACnPBFsuck]

They shook, so they just make up excuses.

[NormC]

People are stuck on this "free" TV crap..Since when is FoxSports and NBCSports "free' TV??? HBO and Showtime and normally $10 a month and if you are smart enough, you can just get it for $5 dollars a month for 2 years if you complain..At the end of the 2 years promotion you complain again and either get it for free or for $5 again. Can you go to Best Buy, buy a TV, turn it on and get FoxSports, ESPN or NBCSports without cable???????????? Then the shiattt isn't free.