Comments Thread For: Mayweather on Comeback: Health More Important To Me

[imperial1]

Ali beat the **** outta Foreman. The myth is that Foreman pretty much beat himself.

As for Floyd-Manny. I don't think Floyd dominated Manny. But I think he beat him soundly. I do think Floyd "schooling" Manny is a bit of a stretch. But that happens in high profile match-ups. If that's two unknown fighters, the scoring may be closer. But we KNOW what Floyd likes to do. And we KNOW what Manny likes to do. And more time than not, Floyd got done what he wanted moreso than Manny.

I agree Ali beat him but he had to have a sound game plan and he executed it perfectly wether it was the rope or dope or not ..And Mayweather had the cleaner blows in the end but nothing that was something incredible ..He just beat Manny to the punch that was no surprise ..

[hitking]

I agree Ali beat him but he had to have a sound game plan and he executed it perfectly wether it was the rope or dope or not ..And Mayweather had the cleaner blows in the end but nothing that was something incredible ..He just beat Manny to the punch that was no surprise ..

In my own lil boxing universe. You had the two best fighters of their era sharing a ring. Both were a lil past their physical primes. But, both were still among boxing's elite. And both were still clearly the best the other had been in the ring with. So to score a clear victory is pretty incredible to me.

[Spoon23]

Na. Being allowed to clinch every time he gets in an uncomfortable position without the threat of a point deduction. A lotta guys fight like that, especially late in their careers. Recently, Bernard Hopkins and Wladimir Klitschko were notorious clinchers. Muhammad Ali was also a notorious clincher, especially late in his career. Go back and watch his signature win against George Foreman. There were at least 3x as many clinches in that one than it was in Floyd-Manny. And that fight only lasted 7-8rds. But no one seems to mind. Kinda ironic don't cha think.

Clinching is not allowed in the rule book of boxing. Queensburry rules.

But those who do, that still can be considered acceptable and manly is when they clinch only because of being fatigued so to get some rest during clinches, or they get tangled up, basically they clinch coz they're spent or they get tangled up. That is fine.

What is not fine is..

'Vagina clinching,' is when you clinch to prevent an opponent from countering back. That is a no, no in boxing. You counter a punch by evading or countering with your own in an exchange hence, real boxing. Boxing is about punching not about how to clinch lol

Clinching to prevent an opponet from firing back is just pussay boxing especially if done in the highest level. Frazier and Ali were clinching because it was 15 grueling rounds of epic boxing, they didn't clinch to prevent someone to counter back from landing a punch. They clinched coz of exhaustion and they needed to rest. That is acceptable and are still a warriors in my book, and was and is acceptable in boxing.

Vagina clinching has no business in the ring. 'it's like hey he's going to punch me I need to hug him quick!'

That's just ***** boxing. A referee should see that a mile away and DQ'd that pussay.

Big difference. That's all she wrote.

Case in point: intentional clinching to prevent an opponent from countering aka vagina clinching.

48 clinches the whole fight (reminder clinching to prevent a punch the pathetic kind watch)



Maidana fight 70 clinches (clinching to prevent an opponent from firing back)

[Spoon23]

You need to get a grip on reality dude. Being a fan of Floyd doesn't mean you should just watch fights blindly and biased. The ONLY thing Floyd did better than Manny in that fight was defense. If it had been a judo or karate match I could see a case for Floyd getting a draw. Just because you're a fan though doesnt mean you have to be so close minded and ridiculous. Admit the truth dude, you'll feel so much better than harboring this dark secret the rest of your life. the secret that you know Floyd lost but you're claiming he won because of other reasons.

They are far gone my friend. They won't admit it even if the proof is staring them at their faces.

Rational thinking is not in their mindset. They are just fanboys waving their Pom poms in the air for Floyd.

Whatever it takes. They don't care if its just a manufactured win as long as he won it lol

[imperial1]

In my own lil boxing universe. You had the two best fighters of their era sharing a ring. Both were a lil past their physical primes. But, both were still among boxing's elite. And both were still clearly the best the other had been in the ring with. So to score a clear victory is pretty incredible to me.

With those two I always felt Floyd would,have won a good big man always beats a good little man my issue with it was one Floyd waited 5 yrs after Manny peaked and to get ktfo before he fought him and two the whole PED crap ..I would,have gave him more credit on 08 but very little since he waited so long and had to cheat to win when he didn't have to..

[hitking]

With those two I always felt Floyd would,have won a good big man always beats a good little man my issue with it was one Floyd waited 5 yrs after Manny peaked and to get ktfo before he fought him and two the whole PED crap ..I would,have gave him more credit on 08 but very little since he waited so long and had to cheat to win when he didn't have to..

I think you're clearly biased, and it clouds your opinion. I'm not gonna jump back into the whole "who's fault it was it didn't happen sooner." Still can't figure out how Floyd cheated. Either way, Floyd is a unique athlete that generated unique emotions from fans. And I think you, and folks like you are leaning on any and everything you can to help cope with something that meant a lot to you for a very long time not turning out how you wanted. Its all good. A lil weird, but all good.

[hitking]

Clinching is not allowed in the rule book of boxing. Queensburry rules.

But those who do, that still can be considered acceptable and manly is when they clinch only because of being fatigued so to get some rest during clinches, or they get tangled up, basically they clinch coz they're spent or they get tangled up. That is fine.

What is not fine is..

'Vagina clinching,' is when you clinch to prevent an opponent from countering back. That is a no, no in boxing. You counter a punch by evading or countering with your own in an exchange hence, real boxing. Boxing is about punching not about how to clinch lol

Clinching to prevent an opponet from firing back is just pussay boxing especially if done in the highest level. Frazier and Ali were clinching because it was 15 grueling rounds of epic boxing, they didn't clinch to prevent someone to counter back from landing a punch. They clinched coz of exhaustion and they needed to rest. That is acceptable and are still a warriors in my book, and was and is acceptable in boxing.

Vagina clinching has no business in the ring. 'it's like hey he's going to punch me I need to hug him quick!'

That's just ***** boxing. A referee should see that a mile away and DQ'd that pussay.

Big difference. That's all she wrote.

Case in point: intentional clinching to prevent an opponent from countering aka vagina clinching.

48 clinches the whole fight (reminder clinching to prevent a punch the pathetic kind watch)



Maidana fight 70 clinches (clinching to prevent an opponent from firing back)

Homie, there's not a chance in hell that I'm a read through and sort through all of this. No disrespect. But, the subject just isn't important enough to me to invest that kinda time and energy.

[imperial1]

In my own lil boxing universe. You had the two best fighters of their era sharing a ring. Both were a lil past their physical primes. But, both were still among boxing's elite. And both were still clearly the best the other had been in the ring with. So to score a clear victory is pretty incredible to me.

I just hated the fact it happened 5 yrs to late ..

[BennyST]

I've watched Ali-Foreman numerous times. There were a ridiculous amount of clinches, mostly initiated by Ali. When Ali hit Foreman with the first right hand of the final barrage. Foreman leaned over the top rope and Ali blatantly clocked him in the back of the head, which IMO is what stunned George. And in between all of that. Ali exibited excellent defense, counter punching, and getting off first. Mostly off the ropes.

Come on man...Yeah, there were clinches early in the fight, but it wasn't like there wasn't a lot of great exchanges either. Every clinch came after an exchange of punches from both guys. There was rarely just a clinch for no reason or just a clinch without any punching. It was a violent fight with a lot of brutally landed punches that would then end with a clinch. It wasn't just jab, jab clinch, clinch, clinch, jab, clinch as you seem to be suggesting.

The last exchange though that stunned George absolutely did not happen off a rabbit punch. Ali didn't push him over the ropes. George got caught with a right hand and he fell past Ali, who kept punching at George and one right hand hit him behind the ear as George turned away over the ropes in his own effort to get away. However, he quickly righted himself and it wasn't until he turned back that the actual punch that really hurt him happened.

If, during an exchange, one guy briefly turns his head away or bends over and one punch in a combination lands behind the head in what are otherwise all legal shots, that's hardly grounds for suggesting blatant, deliberate fouling that ends a fight. You could call it a minor foul, but it hardly landed. Replays show it hardly lands hard, and it's not until the follow up punches where George actually gets hurt.

That wasn't a blatant rabbit punch and it definitely wasn't the shot that hurt him. It was the first right hand and series of shots with a right hand on the chin towards the end that put him down.

The one that hit him behind the head was one punch in a flurry of punches that Ali was throwing and landing to his face otherwise and the only reason it did go behind the head was because George bent/fell over the ropes himself because he got staggered by an earlier right hand and was trying to get away. It was a minor foul at best, let alone a blatant, deliberate rabbit punch. But, that punch did nothing in comparison to the first right hand that made him actually fall over the ropes trying to get away, and even less than the follow up shots that put him down.

[Larry the boss]

With those two I always felt Floyd would,have won a good big man always beats a good little man my issue with it was one Floyd waited 5 yrs after Manny peaked and to get ktfo before he fought him and two the whole PED crap ..I would,have gave him more credit on 08 but very little since he waited so long and had to cheat to win when he didn't have to..

in 08???? why Manny was at 135 until just jumped to fight Oscar in December..