Is Derek Chisora really shot?

[-Kev-]

Not everyone can come in with a 6 pack and ripped chest.... Just look at the current lineal heavyweight champ.

I think that Tyson Fury's shape has improved a lot and he does look more toned today than he did a couple of years ago.

[kiDynamite92]

I'm not talking about weight.

6'3'' in this age of modern HW's is small. When you're 4-5 inches shorter, not too skilled and don't have much power...you're going to struggle.

Haye won every round and knocked him out. To me, he's looked noticeably faded since in the punch resistance department.

Fury just used his size and kept him on the outside, Chisora couldn't do anything with the size. He tried coming forward, but was far too small and slow to land.

So you don't believe that someone like a prime Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson would be anything less then the undisputed and lineal heavyweight champion of the world today?

To me it doesn't matter how tall you are but how effectively you can use it. Chisora was doing exceptionally well against 6'7 Vitali. He stays low, gets in close and works the body and head. He uses his height very well in my opinion but there are just guys who are better then you like Fury who are also taller too.

Him and Haye were basically the same height. Haye was dominating the rounds but Chisoras plan was to wait till the later rounds till haye's stamina issues kick in - unfortunately for him he got knocked out before that.

Fury is probably the only one in the world that can do what he done to Chisora in that fashion and he done the same to Wlad too. No shame in that.

[kiDynamite92]

Of course he's not shot. Fury just put on a masterclass and completely neutralised him. He was on the best streak of his career before their second fight.

For me, Fury has only lost round in his last three fights. Nobody can outbox him.

I kinda think Fury was lucky to get the nod against John McDermott early in his career but yeah Chisora was having a great run up to that fight, think he just beat Malik Scott and Kevin Johnson before.

[kiDynamite92]

I think that Tyson Fury's shape has improved a lot and he does look more toned today than he did a couple of years ago.

He does look better but he doesn't looked ripped or whatever. Imo this is what a boxer is meant to look like, too much muscle just tires and slows you down.

[alexguiness]

Chisora is shot physically and mentally.

I like his style but I think he lacks focus and discipline.

[deathofaclown]

Chisora hasn't been quite the same since Haye knocked him out. Also before that fight he could eat shots all day and since that fight he's been rocked a lot easier. Then again, i rate Haye in the ring. He's definitely someone you don't want to land flush on you, he could take anybody out and crack granite chins.

I think Chisora is alright though, i don't think he's shot or anything, i just don't think he was ever that good. He was tough and had a style that can give good fighters a difficult night sometimes but i think his ceiling is somewhere between European and world class. He's never going to go beyond that and he'll lose to world class fighters every time.

I still think he can have a decent career around the European scene and land the odd decent payday fighting a fighter making that progression to world level.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Chisora is incredibly inconsistent. When he wants it enough he can compete with the top guys - he clearly beat Helenius, took rounds against Vitali when nobody else was doing that and Haye was starting to look very worried before he found a couple of massive shots - but if he's not interested you get performances like his two Fury fights or he struggles past journeymen. It's hard to say whether he's shot or just lost his motivation again.

[gmc_rfc_06]

So you don't believe that someone like a prime Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson would be anything less then the undisputed and lineal heavyweight champion of the world today?

To me it doesn't matter how tall you are but how effectively you can use it. Chisora was doing exceptionally well against 6'7 Vitali. He stays low, gets in close and works the body and head. He uses his height very well in my opinion but there are just guys who are better then you like Fury who are also taller too.

Him and Haye were basically the same height. Haye was dominating the rounds but Chisoras plan was to wait till the later rounds till haye's stamina issues kick in - unfortunately for him he got knocked out before that.

Fury is probably the only one in the world that can do what he done to Chisora in that fashion and he done the same to Wlad too. No shame in that.

Holyfield and Tyson had plenty of tools to make up for being smaller. They are a totally different class of fighter.

Chisora is small, doesn't have much speed, doesn't have much power, his defence isn't great, he's not very skilled...he's a basic face first brawler who relied oh his chin and engine. His most praised performance was a decent showing against an old Vitali but he still lost virtually every round.

[kiDynamite92]

Chisora hasn't been quite the same since Haye knocked him out. Also before that fight he could eat shots all day and since that fight he's been rocked a lot easier. Then again, i rate Haye in the ring. He's definitely someone you don't want to land flush on you, he could take anybody out and crack granite chins.

I think Chisora is alright though, i don't think he's shot or anything, i just don't think he was ever that good. He was tough and had a style that can give good fighters a difficult night sometimes but i think his ceiling is somewhere between European and world class. He's never going to go beyond that and he'll lose to world class fighters every time.

I still think he can have a decent career around the European scene and land the odd decent payday fighting a fighter making that progression to world level.

I think he'll get another title shot at some point. I remember in the build up to Chisora - Fury, Tyson said to him after he beats him, he'll go onto beat Wlad then he'll come back and defend his titles against him and it will be 3-0 then.

[kiDynamite92]

Holyfield and Tyson had plenty of tools to make up for being smaller. They are a totally different class of fighter.

Chisora is small, doesn't have much speed, doesn't have much power, his defence isn't great, he's not very skilled...he's a basic face first brawler who relied oh his chin and engine. His most praised performance was a decent showing against an old Vitali but he still lost virtually every round.

Yeah he's definitely not Holyfield or Tyson but the thing is with the crap division nowadays, he can still be a force to be reckoned with.