[OH Golly!] The Official: Wlad/Fury .gif Thread

[-Kev-]

200lb Joe Louis would have taken Wlads head clean off. No doubt in my mind.

I think that size/height in relation to skills does matter after a certain disparity. Wladimir Klitschko vs Tyson Fury was more like a Super Heavyweight fight than the normal HW fight people were used to watching before the 1990s. These guys are giants and as much as fans want to think this is WWE where an average sized wrestler can 'win' a match against The Big Show and take all of Big Show's 'punches' and kicks, I don't think it would be like that. Steve Cunningham is an excellent fighter, a guy who I think would have seen success in the older HW days, but not in this era, he's too small. His very good boxing skills don't make up for his size and height disadvantage. If Wlad, Fury, Wilder roamed HW in the 1960s and 1970s, they would be highly successful imo. I can't say the same for guys like Valuev, Arreola, Mitchell, or Stiverne(who was ouboxed by Austin for the most part). But definitely the better heavyweights of today like Wilder, Wlad and Fury, I think they can take out several of the past HW greats because not only are they 'good' they are huge and they are powerful and there's only so much. Size/height to skill ratio is key, these guys aren't just big goods like Valuev, they can fight and have good defense.

[mezoomozaa]

It was one of the most exciting boxing matches in the past decade, serious talking here!

[-Kev-]

I'm talking prime for prime..Ali would have counters Wlad with straight right hands repeatedly and frustrate him way more than Fury hahahaha Ali was big enough to ****

Foreman has better timing and would walk Wlad down all night until he finished him brutally

Tyson would merc him in three rounds,his forward momentum and speed to close distance would be unlike anything Wlad has faced

Tyson Fury beat Wlad by doing a slow and clumsy Ali vs Liston gameplan

Ali would be dancing and picking Wlad off a lot more cleanly and something would have to give,you think he'd get close enough to clinch a prime Ali?

24 year old Tyson couldn't even beat Buster Douglas. And he lost to almost every other good HW in his era when he wasn't facing faded or Don King handpicked opponents.

No matter what anyone says about the past HW's beating Wlad, Fury or Wilder, we won't ever know, unless 100s of years from now we build a time machine. The only thing I can gather is that today's small Heavyweights, identical in size as the past HW's, that are clearly skillful like Cunningham and Jennings, can't really compete against the good big HW's. Don't get me wrong, Ali and Foreman are much better than Jennings and Cunningham, but using common sense, I would go with 'these guys are just too damn big and tall and are too good for their size/height advantage' as my prediction of these fantasy fights. I can respect the past greats while not being too stuck in the past.

[Tom Cruise]

I think that size/height in relation to skills does matter after a certain disparity. Wladimir Klitschko vs Tyson Fury was more like a Super Heavyweight fight than the normal HW fight people were used to watching before the 1990s. These guys are giants and as much as fans want to think this is WWE where an average sized wrestler can 'win' a match against The Big Show and take all of Big Show's 'punches' and kicks, I don't think it would be like that. Steve Cunningham is an excellent fighter, a guy who I think would have seen success in the older HW days, but not in this era, he's too small. His very good boxing skills don't make up for his size and height disadvantage. If Wlad, Fury, Wilder roamed HW in the 1960s and 1970s, they would be highly successful imo. I can't say the same for guys like Valuev, Arreola, Mitchell, or Stiverne(who was ouboxed by Austin for the most part). But definitely the better heavyweights of today like Wilder, Wlad and Fury, I think they can take out several of the past HW greats because not only are they 'good' they are huge and they are powerful and there's only so much. Size/height to skill ratio is key, these guys aren't just big goods like Valuev, they can fight and have good defense.

Size matters up to a point. Ive give Wlad credit, he ranks top 15 H2H heavyweights of all time. Thats an amazing achievement and its based mostly on him being big and athletic. But to act like he is some kind of invincible monster who smaller guys cant beat is crazy. Nearly all his tough fights pre Fury were against fighters who werent that different in size to Joe Louis. Joe louis was much more skilled than these guys. He had a great understanding of boxing, was always in position to throw some of the hardest shots of all time, was brilliant at countering and setting traps for his opponent to fall into. Wlad is so predictable compared to someone like Louis its unreal.

Watch here how Louis is able to nullify the 6"5 1/2, 260lb Carnera. Carnera isnt remembered that fondly in terms of skill, but honestly when you watch footage of him he was not as bad as people make out. He tried to fight behind the jab, but Louis is able to stay out of range and force PC to overcommit, leaving him off balance and ready to counter. Skill.



Fury has a good boxing brain, but thats about it. He doesnt punch hard, he doesnt have a good chin and his balance is atrocious. I love the guy but lets not overrate him. If he fought a Tyson, Frazier, Liston, Ali, Louis, Foreman he gets wrecked. All these were at or under 6"3.

[LoadedWraps]

24 year old Tyson couldn't even beat Buster Douglas. And he lost to almost every other good HW in his era when he wasn't facing faded or Don King handpicked opponents.

No matter what anyone says about the past HW's beating Wlad, Fury or Wilder, we won't ever know, unless 100s of years from now we build a time machine. The only thing I can gather is that today's small Heavyweights, identical in size as the past HW's, that are clearly skillful like Cunningham and Jennings, can't really compete against the good big HW's. Don't get me wrong, Ali and Foreman are much better than Jennings and Cunningham, but using common sense, I would go with 'these guys are just too damn big and tall and are too good for their size/height advantage' as my prediction of these fantasy fights. I can respect the past greats while not being too stuck in the past.

Fury would stop Douglas early. Not sure what you're on about...

[-Kev-]

Fury would stop Douglas early. Not sure what you're on about...

Not sure if that was a joke, i'll assume you know I was talking about Mike Tyson vs Douglas.

[M Bison]

Naw man..this fight was way worse

Both were bad but atleast the quality of punches that did get thrown from both men in May-Pac were that of good quality.

Like you said earlier about you actually questioning if their was any clean punches landed - If you were to analyze this in the funny slow mode thing I think the punchstats would be considerably lower than its being said to be
23% for both men, it was what it was an upset but still pretty damn boring.

[LoadedWraps]

Both were bad but atleast the quality of punches that did get thrown from both men in May-Pac were that of good quality.

Like you said earlier about you actually questioning if their was any clean punches landed - If you were to analyze this in the funny slow mode thing I think the punchstats would be considerably lower than its being said to be
23% for both men, it was what it was an upset but still pretty damn boring.

If you watch it in slow motion the punches are more clear, Fury was peppering him with shots all fight.

[The Problem Child]

^ That gene abuser got owned lol.

[LoadedWraps]

^ That gene abuser got owned lol.