Ring Ratings: Stevenson stripped

[HeroBando]

Daggum -

I addressed all of your points. Instead of addressing my points, you responded with empty rhetoric.

Also, you refused to say what you do for a living, which I'm going to assume means a) you aren't proud of your profession and b) admitting what you do for a living would expose the lunacy of you trying to give business advice.

Stevenson isn't thinking about what could have been. Stevenson is thinking about the future. Haymon is making sure Stevenson gets paid very well. If Stevenson-Kovalev went to purse bid, Haymon would make sure Stevenson got paid very well.

If HBO really wanted the fight, they should have exercised their right to retain Stevenson.

They declined.

Haymon's fighters are being treated like gold. Pretty sure Stevenson is better off with Haymon's business advice than he is with yours.

So go back to flipping burgers and stop pretending to know what you're talking about.

I'm sure Stevenson would get a career high purse for Kov on HBO. He does well either way, cause Quebec is big on boxing. But he's not maximizing that opportunity with his streak of crap fights. Heck even washed up Bute and Pascal are probably bigger hometown draws

[daggum]

Daggum -

I addressed all of your points. Instead of addressing my points, you responded with empty rhetoric.

Also, you refused to say what you do for a living, which I'm going to assume means a) you aren't proud of your profession and b) admitting what you do for a living would expose the lunacy of you trying to give business advice.

Stevenson isn't thinking about what could have been. Stevenson is thinking about the future. Haymon is making sure Stevenson gets paid very well. If Stevenson-Kovalev went to purse bid, Haymon would make sure Stevenson got paid very well.

If HBO really wanted the fight, they should have exercised their right to retain Stevenson.

They declined.

Haymon's fighters are being treated like gold. Pretty sure Stevenson is better off with Haymon's business advice than he is with yours.

So go back to flipping burgers and stop pretending to know what you're talking about.

you didn't address my points. you wouldn't even answer a simple business test i gave you. if you see a 20 on the ground and try to pick it up but it blows away and then later you see a 10 on the ground you don't pick it up because you could have had 20? you didn't answer this because you realized that you would in fact pick it up and hence your argument turns to sh-it. stevenson won't pick it up either. you are both stubborn and live in alternate realities where you could have had more money in those alternate realities. go back to your supply side economics...oh crap the burgers are on fire!!!

[Citizen Koba]

There is a HUGE hole in your logic and you're parroting the emotionally intense, but logically flawed position perpetuated by Kovalev's team.

Sanctioning body rules explicitly state that "exclusive" contracts are NOT recognized and are no excuse for not accepting a fight.

Kovalev VOLUNTARILY signed a contract that only allows him to fight on HBO. Nobody had a gun to his head. Nobody forced him to do it. Stevenson was willing to fight him on whatever network bought the fight from whatever promoter paid the most for the fight. That is how a purse bid works. Kovalev is the one that requested the purse bid. Stevenson accepted and than Kovalev pulled out. Stevenson did everything in his power to make the fight and Kovalev ducked.

You can't hide behind a television contract and then claim the OTHER guy is ducking you. That's ridiculous.


And Stevenson would be fighting on HBO right now if HBO had matched Showtime's offer. HBO had the right of first refusal and was unwilling to pay Stevenson his fair market value.

And now Kovalev expects Stevenson to face him for less than fair market value? Get out of here with that nonsense. Duva may be able to fool a rube like you, but anybody that understands this business realizes what an obvious con that is.

Kovalev didn't request a purse bid. GYM / Haymon requested the fight be moved straight to purse bid. Clever, good timing - knowing that Kovalev would then have to choose between an HBO contract and the Stevenson fight (HBO wouldn't offer him a new contract in case he lost). Duva was outplayed. Apparently she had to do some fast talking, cos Kovalev and Klimas were gunning for the Stevenson fight whoever won the bid.

[MDPopescu]

The Ring Magazine 'lineal' belts are largely recognised at least for the Middleweight and Heavyweight divisions.
The Cotto-Canelo fight poster reads that they fought for the WBC and The Ring belts...

The Ring 'lineal belt' rules are to be found on their webpage, as we all know.

... We also know that, usually, the fans evoke the Ring belts when it suits their favorites; when it doesn't, they discard those belts as 'irrelevant'.

[Dr Rumack]

The Ring Magazine 'lineal' belts are largely recognised at least for the Middleweight and Heavyweight divisions.
The Cotto-Canelo fight poster reads that they fought for the WBC and The Ring belts...

The Ring 'lineal belt' rules are to be found on their webpage, as we all know.

... We also know that, usually, the fans evoke the Ring belts when it suits their favorites; when it doesn't, they discard those belts as 'irrelevant'.

Fans have stopped taking them seriously because they decided No.2 vs No.5 could create a new champion.

[MDPopescu]

Fans have stopped taking them seriously because they decided No.2 vs No.5 could create a new champion.

No, man, they didn't rule such a thing...
The Ring board vacated the 'lineal belt' at LHW and ruled precisely that: "Stevenson will remain in the ratings but drop to No. 2, below No. 1 Sergey Kovalev. That means the two would fight for the RING championship if they hold their positions and were to ever meet in the ring."
Therefore, they keep the belt vacated until Stevenson fight Kovalev... In case Stevenson retires, only then they will rule who will have to fight who for that strap...

[Dr Rumack]

No, man, they didn't ruled that...
The Ring board vacated the 'lineal belt' at LHW and ruled precisely that: "Stevenson will remain in the ratings but drop to No. 2, below No. 1 Sergey Kovalev. That means the two would fight for the RING championship if they hold their positions and were to ever meet in the ring."
Therefore, they keep the belt vacated until Stevenson fight Kovalev... In case Stevenson retires, only then they will rule who will have to fight who for that strap...

Unless they've changed the rules I posted above, No.1 or No.2 can still fight a No.5 ranked fighter and be crowned the champion. That's the change they made in 2012 that led people to stop taking them seriously.

[MDPopescu]

Unless they've changed the rules I posted above, No.1 or No.2 can still fight a No.5 ranked fighter and be crowned the champion. That's the change they made in 2012 that led people to stop taking them seriously.

I have cited above precisely what they have ruled with this respect.

You'll find the article on their website (November 23, 2015) at:

http://r i n g t v . c r a v e o n l i n e.com/news/404981-ring-ratings-update-a-new-champion-at-middleweight

[MDPopescu]

Unless they've changed the rules I posted above, No.1 or No.2 can still fight a No.5 ranked fighter and be crowned the champion. That's the change they made in 2012 that led people to stop taking them seriously.

The Ring vacated that belt according to rule #5 (The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.)

[Dr Rumack]

I have cited above precisely what they have ruled with this respect.

You'll find the article on their website (November 23, 2015) at:

http://r i n g t v . c r a v e o n l i n e.com/news/404981-ring-ratings-update-a-new-champion-at-middleweight

Yes, that's their ruling in this instance. What I'm saying is that according to the Ring's rules No.2 can fight No.5 can fight and the winner will be the champion. Just because a Stevenson v Kovalev winner would create a champ, it doesn't mean it's the only way to create one. That's the problem people have the Ring's belts nowadays. They cheapened them.