Adrien Broner: Shoulder Roll Misunderstanding

[therealpugilist]

Agreed, Broner is not able to quickly switch from defense to offense, if you pressure him he can't fight going back and has to wait until the reset to get back in an offensive posture. Also IMHO he's never controlled range half as well as Mayweather unless he has the size/reach advantage which is why it became more apparent when he started fighting larger opponents.

Ding Ding....at 135 and below he looked like a shoe in p4p guy because he was a big guy for the weights with speed and devastating power

[Ray*]

Beautiful... Just look at the difference in how that was executed against the same fighter. When I see Broner or Berto doing the roll I just shake my head.

[AllEyesOpen]

Beautiful... Just look at the difference in how that was executed against the same fighter. When I see Broner or Berto doing the roll I just shake my head.

Berto's shoulder roll is laughable. To be honest though my favorite is Toney, he was able to roll damn near anything.

[ukbox]

He may need to put his pride aside and get with the money team....SR or uncle rog will have him on another level.....he is doing well with just mimicking certain aspects but if you're gonna learn something you go to someone who specializes in it


His problem is he has a reactive defense and the shoulder roll is proactive defensive technique....it is used to reserve your stamina, and also to always be in a position to make an opponent pay when they miss


Broner's problem is since he moved up past 135 he doesn't let his hands go enough and just waits for the opponent to stop throwing and reset....imagine if Floyd did that vs Maidana, Hatton, or DLH.....A TRUE SITTING DUCK

Agree
I tried to copy a post I made about it a while ago, basically said same thing that he freezes with the roll.
IMO he'd do better with a conventional guard in & out no messing about

[therealpugilist]

Berto's shoulder roll is laughable. To be honest though my favorite is Toney, he was able to roll damn near anything.

What set Mayweather's apart was his footwork and reflexes to boot


Toney made it look easy and he'd be right in your grill and you could hit him with a hand full of buckshot clean

[FlatLine]

That's why Floyd ducked Khan 4 times because he knew that shoulder roll **** ain't doing **** against Khan. He gets beat easy at this point.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

He may need to put his pride aside and get with the money team....SR or uncle rog will have him on another level.....he is doing well with just mimicking certain aspects but if you're gonna learn something you go to someone who specializes in it


His problem is he has a reactive defense and the shoulder roll is proactive defensive technique....it is used to reserve your stamina, and also to always be in a position to make an opponent pay when they miss


Broner's problem is since he moved up past 135 he doesn't let his hands go enough and just waits for the opponent to stop throwing and reset....imagine if Floyd did that vs Maidana, Hatton, or DLH.....A TRUE SITTING DUCK

if broner stayed at 135 he would be undefeated just like GGG lol

[therealpugilist]

if broner stayed at 135 he would be undefeated just like GGG lol

yep...his only comp would've been Crawford but Crawford definitely was too big for the weight, his body has matured....Broner should've stayed there and made a legacy cleaning out that division


lightweight is pretty shallow and that's rare for that weight which is usually talent laden

[AllEyesOpen]

What set Mayweather's apart was his footwork and reflexes to boot


Toney made it look easy and he'd be right in your grill and you could hit him with a hand full of buckshot clean

Agreed. Toney was a bit quicker on his feet early on but even when he was heavy he could stand right in front of you and roll or turn with most of your shots, very subtle but still effective.

[alexguiness]

I always thought AB was too squat and solid for a shoulder roll, same with Berto.

Floyd and a younger Toney made it work because they had a more natural, sleeker physique.

If that makes sense.