Comments Thread For: Holyfield Tabs Golovkin as The Number One P4P Fighter

[Dirk Diggler UK]

and thats great. You are entitled to your opinion, as is Evander. And just as you believe Holyfield is an idiot, many will think the same of you........

I never said Holyfield was an idiot. I said he was entitled to his opinion. I think his logic is severely flawed though.

[ukbox]

Just say what you really feel and get it out. Holyfield never has anything good to say about any black fighter. With no apology, he's the typical uncle Ruckus. Dude also prays to a white Jesus. It can't get any worse than that. If the (inner circle) meaning misses you, leave it alone. It is a black thing, we know why we avoid people like him. In fact, you same people don't ask him for advice on more relevant matters concerning world affairs, so should we take him for some type of Sage now? Holyfield is a nutjob along with Tyson who may have given the sport everything, and for that, I respect them, but disregard most of stuff they say.

I said what I feel, what are u a boxing scenes Dr Phil?
I judge people by how they act not on their skin tone. If you're black, white, Asian or Arab, if you're a good person cool, if you're trash you're trash.

If you can't live by that & judge a book by its cover or by skin tone in this case then that says a whole lot more about you & how you were raised than it says about anyone else.

"You people"FFS its people like u that drag communities down. You don't like living in white, native American country then stick to your beliefs & *** off over to Africa & make a difference there, because u aren't doing **** productive walking around with those ideas ya balloon

[comanick]

If you had read my initial quote, I said I don't rate his skill level highly enough to rank him based solely on that.

I think if weight were removed, many people could beat him.

P4P for me is about your skill level and about who you've been able to display it against.

It's all very well displaying your skills against bums and overmatched opponents like GGG has but can you reproduce it against a top level fighter?

Many gifted fighters have choked under the bright lights when met with resistance.

I agree with this 100%. P4P is not an eye test. Its just not that simple. You can find fighters right now who are 10-0, 11-0 right now who look like beasts. Should we rate them in the top 10 p4p now. Its just not that simple. The perfect recent example of this is Lucian Bute. Once upon a time a ton of people were saying he was the goods and that he would beat ward and froch all while feasting on nobodies and he looked great doing it. The second he fought a real champion fighter he fell apart..quickly. Thats why you can just base these things based on the "eye test" and as of right now ggg hast fought anyone to even put him near the p4p #1 level.

[mick1303]

He's like the Sonny Liston of the middleweights right now. Everybody knows he is the real champ but there is some small dude running around with his belt

Funny as h**l )) And also true!

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Well, so does Roman, Evander. You and Tyson have become the biggest coons in the sport.

However, my theory is that any boxer who has never traversed weight classes should not considered p4p unless he's a heavyweight. You need to traverse at least two weight classes to be a contender.

That's ridiculous.

Heavyweight is the hardest to classify P4P simply because there are no limits and fighters can weigh a difference of 25+ pounds. Not just that, but height differences are vastly varied as well, another huge factor. You're very unlikely to see a 6'0"+ fighter at lightweight and under. The fighters are the same size (or close to), leading to a much more balanced match up.

Wladimir Klitschko is almost 250 pounds, and stands at 6'6". He's wider and taller than most of the greatest heavyweights by huge proportions.

[megas30]

I said what I feel, what are u a boxing scenes Dr Phil?
I judge people by how they act not on their skin tone. If you're black, white, Asian or Arab, if you're a good person cool, if you're trash you're trash.

If you can't live by that & judge a book by its cover or by skin tone in this case then that says a whole lot more about you & how you were raised than it says about anyone else.

"You people"FFS its people like u that drag communities down. You don't like living in white, native American country then stick to your beliefs & *** off over to Africa & make a difference there, because u aren't doing **** productive walking around with those ideas ya balloon

Hahaha...."white" and native American country. This is laughable. Only something that can come from a white supremacist. How is this co-ownership came about again? Was it given to you by the natives? If by landing and killing off the natives makes you co-owner, then by the same token, blacks are part owners, because, as you know, Africans were traveling and trading here before Columbus. Keep up with history. I am still laughing, though...lol.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

I agree with this 100%. P4P is not an eye test. Its just not that simple. You can find fighters right now who are 10-0, 11-0 right now who look like beasts. Should we rate them in the top 10 p4p now. Its just not that simple. The perfect recent example of this is Lucian Bute. Once upon a time a ton of people were saying he was the goods and that he would beat ward and froch all while feasting on nobodies and he looked great doing it. The second he fought a real champion fighter he fell apart..quickly. Thats why you can just base these things based on the "eye test" and as of right now ggg hast fought anyone to even put him near the p4p #1 level.

Lucian Bute didn't have anywhere near the amateur resume that Golovkin did.

Lucian Bute, did he fight as many top 10 rated fighters in his division as Golovkin?

also... Lucian Bute also got KTFO by Golovkin in amateurs. Bute is a great fighter. He's not the best in his division obviously, but he is still good. Are you trying to imply that he isn't good because he lost to Froch, and lost to Pascal outside of his weight class?

[megas30]

That's ridiculous.

Heavyweight is the hardest to classify P4P simply because there are no limits and fighters can weigh a difference of 25+ pounds. Not just that, but height differences are vastly varied as well, another huge factor. You're very unlikely to see a 6'0"+ fighter at lightweight and under. The fighters are the same size (or close to), leading to a much more balanced match up.

Wladimir Klitschko is almost 250 pounds, and stands at 6'6". He's wider and taller than most of the greatest heavyweights by huge proportions.

I don't really get your argument. My premise was the traversing of weight classes and since heavies have no more classes to go up, I will use their resume and skill level.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Lucian Bute didn't have anywhere near the amateur resume that Golovkin did.

Lucian Bute, did he fight as many top 10 rated fighters in his division as Golovkin?

also... Lucian Bute also got KTFO by Golovkin in amateurs.

What the hell does the amateurs have to do with professional boxing P4P rankings?

Why is it only Golovkin who gets to use his amateur career in these discussions?

[UNBIASED BOXING]

I don't really get your argument. My premise was the traversing of weight classes and since heavies have no more classes to go up, I will use their resume and skill level.

Their resume and skill level is unfairly influenced by a vast height and weight advantage over their opponents. Not very pound for pound friendly when you weigh 250 pounds and your opponent weighs between 200-225. Or, when you stand 6 inches+ taller than your opponent.

What the hell does the amateurs have to do with professional boxing P4P rankings?

Why is it only Golovkin who gets to use his amateur career in these discussions?

Yeah, lets act like nobody brings up amateur career when Lomachenko or Rigondeaux are named dropped.