Myth Buster: Timothy Bradley Needs PBC

[Eff Pandas]

Your post has two assumptions that we don't know if they will be true, #1 will PBC be around in 2 years and #2 will Bradley want to fight on after this contract. I think he might be done in 2017.

My post was about assumptions a lil further down the line so yea.

The other issue is for all of the top 147-154 lb talent PBC has, we still almost never get to see them in the ring together. Haymon is having a tough time convincing them to face each other.

PBC is putting on about one elite level top 10 type fight a month, basically like HBO does for the most part. I think its safe to assume that if PBC is around in 2 years we'll have seen a lot of 147lbers fight each other & someone will be standing out.

Already we've seen 147lb players fight or be scheduled to fight a few times in PBC's 8 month history with Thurman vs Guerrero, Garcia vs Peterson, Khan vs Algieri, Porter vs Broner & it seems like Thurman vs Porter is all but confirmed for Jan. 23 & thats pretty much for the #1 147 spot with PBC right now.

I think people are being overly critical about PBC. It took HBO & Showtime 2yrs+ iirc to figure out who the best HW & 168lber was & they had everyone on board with the plan to fight only each other. PBC has mostly less experienced guys who still attempted to reach their peak & no one has agreed to a tournament to figure out the best 147lber at all.

[Dip_Slide]

Your post has two assumptions that we don't know if they will be true, #1 will PBC be around in 2 years and #2 will Bradley want to fight on after this contract. I think he might be done in 2017.

The other issue is for all of the top 147-154 lb talent PBC has, we still almost never get to see them in the ring together. Haymon is having a tough time convincing them to face each other.

What about Thurman Porter, Porter Broner, Garcia Peterson, Khan Algieri and Thurman Guerrero? all these fights happened in the 140-147 divisions within 1 year, and I expect Garcia vs Khan II to happen sometime next year for the WBC title which would be a huge fight, the winner of this fight and the winner of the upcoming Thurman Porter fight would make great opponents for Bradley.

A fight against Brook would only be big in the UK, would Bradley agree to go to the UK to fight Brook knowing that he can't KO Brook and it would definitley be a close fight? wouldn't he worry about getting robbed? As a fan I would love to see the fight but I don't know if it's makeable in the US cuz Brook is relatively unknown there.

A 3rd fight with Pacquiao makes absolutely no sense to me as a boxing fan cuz we already know who the better fighter is, Pac already beat him twice and if Bradley beats him in the 3rd fight, it'll be due to Pacquiao slipping, I really have no interest in watching this fight.

Canelo is just way too big for Tim and I don't see Tim winning it, Canelo is not Rios, if Cotto beats Canelo however and gets stripped, he can fight Bradley at 154, that would be a good fight that i would like to see since the size difference won't be so drastic.

[Cinci Champ]

i dont think bradley needs pbc at all. I will say bradley is probably the most underappreciated boxer in the sport and has been for awhile. With the cult of pacquiao and the way the first fight went that really hurt his potential fan base but the guy keeps proving the nay sayers wrong every single fight and is gaining fans or haters everytime. I like bradley a lot have for awhile love his spirit.

But to the subject at hand im not convinced he needs pbc. He still has fights he can make if hes willing to move up in weight to 154 where i actually think he would fill out nicely. You got the obvious saddam ali fight which will be made hell be able to beat up vargas again hes got cotto and canelo. Hes got matyssee at 147 hes got a potential khan or brook fight. I mean the guy will have fights. The way pbc is going all the guys are afraid to fight each other anyway besides porter and broner.

There is a rumor tho that pbc is going to come back to hbo now that they are getting new leadership so keep that in mind also

[killakali]

My post was about assumptions a lil further down the line so yea.



PBC is putting on about one elite level top 10 type fight a month, basically like HBO does for the most part. I think its safe to assume that if PBC is around in 2 years we'll have seen a lot of 147lbers fight each other & someone will be standing out.

Already we've seen 147lb players fight or be scheduled to fight a few times in PBC's 8 month history with Thurman vs Guerrero, Garcia vs Peterson, Khan vs Algieri, Porter vs Broner & it seems like Thurman vs Porter is all but confirmed for Jan. 23 & thats pretty much for the #1 147 spot with PBC right now.

I think people are being overly critical about PBC. It took HBO & Showtime 2yrs+ iirc to figure out who the best HW & 168lber was & they had everyone on board with the plan to fight only each other. PBC has mostly less experienced guys who still attempted to reach their peak & no one has agreed to a tournament to figure out the best 147lber at all.

I would scratch Khan vs Algieri from that last of elite fights. Algieiri has one good win and a couple solid ones. So starting in March through December that is 10 months and we can add Quillin vs Jacobs so that is 5 "elite" fights in 10 months so more like one every two months and not one every month.

The point is that these guys all have the same "promoter" so they should be able to make the top fights a lot easier than HBO or Showtime who have to work with multiple networks to make the big fights which is way more complicated.

PBC pays fighters well regardless of opponent which makes big fights even harder to make because the incentive isn't there. Guys like Lara can fight Zaveck instead of Clottey because the money is about the same. I heard he is knocking down 1 mil for that fight.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

So you're actually supporting a fight vs Canelo? Are you a fan? Cause I can't tell right now. You must want him dead.

[Eff Pandas]

I would scratch Khan vs Algieri from that last of elite fights. Algieiri has one good win and a couple solid ones.

Algieri fought Pacquaio (granted he got clobbered) that makes him a player in the division like it or not. Anyone who fought Manny or Floyd instantly became a player in the division. Hell Rios woulda been less legit for Bradley to be happy about beating if he hadn't had fought Manny. Didn't say it was a super fight or anything.

The point is that these guys all have the same "promoter" so they should be able to make the top fights a lot easier than HBO or Showtime who have to work with multiple networks to make the big fights which is way more complicated.

When has anyone made all the best fights all at once? That formula with how boxing works today doesn't really or no one has shown it to work anyway.

I know the UFC puts the best fights on every month that they can make & even they were like WTF about making Rondy Rousey vs Miesha Tate III when Rousey has already beat her ass twice.

Or in boxing you get Tyson's reign for the 2 or less years post winning the HBO tournament that was a huge drought & boring to watch & you get Ward's reign after the Super 6 tournament that was a huge drought & boring to watch. There is something to be said for building up specific matchups & not weeding out everyone except the "one" in any division. Arum & King are the most successful promoters in the business & they've never worked that way (or at least a 2nd time for King post-the HBO tournament). Why would PBC wanna work that way?

PBC pays fighters well regardless of opponent which makes big fights even harder to make because the incentive isn't there. Guys like Lara can fight Zaveck instead of Clottey because the money is about the same. I heard he is knocking down 1 mil for that fight.

Loma took down $750k iirc for that fringe contender guy. Think Kovalev knocked down about that much for that pizza delivery man he KTFO. GGG's been getting around a mill or more & has less PPV sales than Lara has (granted Lara was the B side to Canelo, but still). I believe he made $2M for Lemieux & I think I'd give Zaveck about as much of a chance to upset Lara as Lemieux had to upset GGG.

[-PBP-]

So you're actually supporting a fight vs Canelo? Are you a fan? Cause I can't tell right now. You must want him dead.

Not opposed to it like most but probably 4th or 5th on my list.

Ali mando
Brook
Khan
Canelo
Pac triology

No reason why they shouldn't be able to do the first 3 though.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Not opposed to it like most but probably 4th or 5th on my list.

Ali mando
Brook
Khan
Canelo
Pac triology

No reason why they shouldn't be able to do the first 3 though.

Why would you want Bradley fighting Canelo? Thats a ******ed fight... Unless he plans to retire afterwards.

[-PBP-]

Why would you want Bradley fighting Canelo? Thats a ******ed fight... Unless he plans to retire afterwards.

After the first 3 I listed who else is there?

[Weebler I]

Reality: PBC needs Tim Bradley. I see many saying that Bradley needs PBC because they have the depth to keep him active. This is totally false and here is why:

1. Bradley is the highest paid American boxer in the sport today. He made $4 million this year which is what you get facing Floyd or Pac. He has a minimum guarantee of $2 million per fight.

2. Bradley is in line for fights vs the 2 biggest cash cows in the sport: Pac and Canelo.

3. Bradley can establish a lineage by beating Pac or Brook (if Pac goes to 140 for TC). Furthermore, Khan is now a viable option. The top 2 fighters in the division are makeable fights (Brook and Pac)

4. PBCs welterweights aren't even fighting each other and cannot establish a lineage without Tim Bradley. Porter has already lost to Brook, Thurman has beaten nobody and Garcia is still adjusting to the new division.

From every angle, PBC does nothing for Tim Bradley. Financially or legacy wise.

Only #3 & #4 are really relevant to boxing fans.

No one wants to see Pac-Bradley again so it's really just Brook unless he gives Marquez a rematch.