Comments Thread For: Jose Benavidez, Oscar Valdez Double on December 12

[richardt]

You complain about the opponents that Golden Boy and Top Rank is putting there top prospects in yet these are the same guys that have fought against Leo Santa Cruz and Jesus Cuellar. Stop hating on Golden Boy and Top Rank. Golden Boy has put the best fights on this year by far. Oscar de la Hoya and Bernard Hopkins should be promoter of the year based on this year. Constantly putting on the best cards that fans want to see.

PBC earns respect as well. They just need to put more of there main guys against each other Garcia, Porter, Thurman, Khan.

WRONG! Since when did Diego De La Hoya, Oscar Valdez, Jo Jo Diaz, Julian Ramirez, fight ANYONE FIGHTER that they were NOT heavily favored against???? Go look back on all the FS1 cards with GoldenCrap this year and you will see a TON of cards with gravy train setups! GoldenCrap and TR are not willing to take a risk, unlike fighters on ShoBox and PBC. HENCE: Prospects vs prospects on PBC and ShoBox, and prospects vs gravy train setups and TBA's. It does not take a ***ing genius to see the difference.

[LOCOMEX89]

WRONG! Since when did Diego De La Hoya, Oscar Valdez, Jo Jo Diaz, Julian Ramirez, fight ANYONE FIGHTER that they were NOT heavily favored against???? Go look back on all the FS1 cards with GoldenCrap this year and you will see a TON of cards with gravy train setups! GoldenCrap and TR are not willing to take a risk, unlike fighters on ShoBox and PBC. HENCE: Prospects vs prospects on PBC and ShoBox, and prospects vs gravy train setups and TBA's. It does not take a ***ing genius to see the difference.

Well I guess cong**** to PBC for winning the FS1 war. Lol.....want a cookie for that one???? Look Golden Boy puts them in against tough, experienced opponents for there prospects. It is what it is. Not all have to have a 0 behind there record to be a quality opponent. I will say that if you do want to maintain your 0 sign with PBC because they sure will match you up with a certain quality opponent so you can hold onto that 0 as long as possible. Stop knocking Golden Boy they have put on high quality fights this entire year and they deserve a hell of a lot of credit when most thought they would crumble.
Oscar and Bernard PROMOTER OF THE YEAR

[richardt]

Well I guess cong**** to PBC for winning the FS1 war. Lol.....want a cookie for that one???? Look Golden Boy puts them in against tough, experienced opponents for there prospects. It is what it is. Not all have to have a 0 behind there record to be a quality opponent. I will say that if you do want to maintain your 0 sign with PBC because they sure will match you up with a certain quality opponent so you can hold onto that 0 as long as possible. Stop knocking Golden Boy they have put on high quality fights this entire year and they deserve a hell of a lot of credit when most thought they would crumble.
Oscar and Bernard PROMOTER OF THE YEAR

Dude, shut the *** up! GoldenCrap and TR does NOT put them in against EVEN matchups, THAT IS THE POINT!! The OUTCOMES are ALREADY KNOWN before round one!! You have to be a special kind of ****** think that PROSPECTS who fight SETUP after SETUP after SETUP compares to EVEN matchups with PROSPECTS going against PROSPECTS!!!

[LOCOMEX89]

Dude, shut the *** up! GoldenCrap and TR does NOT put them in against EVEN matchups, THAT IS THE POINT!! The OUTCOMES are ALREADY KNOWN before round one!! You have to be a special kind of ****** think that PROSPECTS who fight SETUP after SETUP after SETUP compares to EVEN matchups with PROSPECTS going against PROSPECTS!!!

Clearly your not comprehending what I am saying. That doesn't shock me though based on your responses. Again you don't have to put in against another undefeated prospect to have gain great experience. Examples Manuel Roman vs Diego De La Hoya who in the same year fought Leo Santa Cruz for the championship. Or having Ruben Tamayo vs Oscar Valdez and Jo Jo Diaz yet also he just fought Jesus Cuellar for a championship also.

The point is Jack that in most cases it's better for prospects to fight guys who actually have championship experience compared to those who are often overrated and inexperienced because there undefeated.

So get your head out of your PBC LOVING NON OBJECTIVE ASS and see that there are a million ways to skin a cat. Great Talk

[richardt]

Clearly your not comprehending what I am saying. That doesn't shock me though based on your responses. Again you don't have to put in against another undefeated prospect to have gain great experience. Examples Manuel Roman vs Diego De La Hoya who in the same year fought Leo Santa Cruz for the championship. Or having Ruben Tamayo vs Oscar Valdez and Jo Jo Diaz yet also he just fought Jesus Cuellar for a championship also.

The point is Jack that in most cases it's better for prospects to fight guys who actually have championship experience compared to those who are often overrated and inexperienced because there undefeated.

So get your head out of your PBC LOVING NON OBJECTIVE ASS and see that there are a million ways to skin a cat. Great Talk

Point out ONE FIGHT where Diego De La Hoya, Jo Jo Diaz, Julian Ramirez, Oscar Valdez went into a FIGHT where it was ANYONE'S guess who the winner would be!!!! All thier opponents were EXPECTED to lose and they DID LOSE, UNLIKE the many ShoBox and PBC cards with EVEN matchups! PBC and ShoBox has PROSPECTS WILLING TO FIGHT PROSPECTS and TR and GOLDENCRAP have PROSPECTS AGAINST SETUPS!!! You cannot possibly be THIS ***ing ****** to not see the difference!!

[SlySlickSmooth]

Clearly your not comprehending what I am saying. That doesn't shock me though based on your responses. Again you don't have to put in against another undefeated prospect to have gain great experience. Examples Manuel Roman vs Diego De La Hoya who in the same year fought Leo Santa Cruz for the championship. Or having Ruben Tamayo vs Oscar Valdez and Jo Jo Diaz yet also he just fought Jesus Cuellar for a championship also.

The point is Jack that in most cases it's better for prospects to fight guys who actually have championship experience compared to those who are often overrated and inexperienced because there undefeated.

So get your head out of your PBC LOVING NON OBJECTIVE ASS and see that there are a million ways to skin a cat. Great Talk

Prospects fight low tier guys to transition for amateurs to the pros and get used to fighting more rounds. You don't throw prospects to the wolves.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Point out ONE FIGHT where Diego De La Hoya, Jo Jo Diaz, Julian Ramirez, Oscar Valdez went into a FIGHT where it was ANYONE'S guess who the winner would be!!!! All thier opponents were EXPECTED to lose and they DID LOSE, UNLIKE the many ShoBox and PBC cards with EVEN matchups! PBC and ShoBox has PROSPECTS WILLING TO FIGHT PROSPECTS and TR and GOLDENCRAP have PROSPECTS AGAINST SETUPS!!! You cannot possibly be THIS ***ing ****** to not see the difference!!

Some fans think they're entitled to watching up-and-comers fight opposition they would be the underdog against every time. Some don't understand what it means to build a fighter and the best way to mature a fighter.

The experience gained fighting another prospect is overlooked by these fans. When a prospect fights another prospect they're both susceptible to mistakes throughout the fight and help each other grow that way. Whereas a prospect being thrown to the wolves won't learn anything because the wolf might be much too experienced for the prospect to learn from and is instead fighting to survive the rounds.

[richardt]

Some fans think they're entitled to watching up-and-comers fight opposition they would be the underdog against every time. Some don't understand what it means to build a fighter and the best way to mature a fighter.

The experience gained fighting another prospect is overlooked by these fans. When a prospect fights another prospect they're both susceptible to mistakes throughout the fight and help each other grow that way. Whereas a prospect being thrown to the wolves won't learn anything because the wolf might be much too experienced for the prospect to learn from and is instead fighting to survive the rounds.

Exactly! This whole topic comes down to fight cards where fighters PUT THEIR RECORDS ON THE LINE and take a risk for the chance to shine - vs fight cards where fighters DON'T PUT THEIR RECORDS ON THE LINE AND INSTEAD FIGHT GLARINGLY OBVIOUS SETUPS! Pickem fights - vs obvious setups where it is a forgone conclusion who the winner is. It is such a NO-BRAINER which of these scenarios true fight fans prefer that for anyone to argue this makes me wonder what the ***ing hell their agenda or bias is! NO REAL FAN prefers SETUPS instead of EVEN matchups unless they are biased fan boys or work for TR or GoldenCrap.

When I see two fighters risk their records against each other in a pickem fight, I become a fan of both. When I see protected darlings fight guys who are not even or near happy in the odds and instead fight guys who lost 2 out of 3 of their last fights (mostly by KO loss), then I don't respect that. Take the damn training wheels of them and haul their little asses out of the damn kiddie pool and put them in against each other or at least in even fights to see what they are made of. NO WAY IN HELL a real fan prefers to see setups vs even matchups unless they are biased fanboys or are on the TR or GoldenCrap payroll!

[sceneboxing]

Exactly! This whole topic comes down to fight cards where fighters PUT THEIR RECORDS ON THE LINE and take a risk for the chance to shine - vs fight cards where fighters DON'T PUT THEIR RECORDS ON THE LINE AND INSTEAD FIGHT GLARINGLY OBVIOUS SETUPS! Pickem fights - vs obvious setups where it is a forgone conclusion who the winner is. It is such a NO-BRAINER which of these scenarios true fight fans prefer that for anyone to argue this makes me wonder what the ***ing hell their agenda or bias is! NO REAL FAN prefers SETUPS instead of EVEN matchups unless they are biased fan boys or work for TR or GoldenCrap.

When I see two fighters risk their records against each other in a pickem fight, I become a fan of both. When I see protected darlings fight guys who are not even or near happy in the odds and instead fight guys who lost 2 out of 3 of their last fights (mostly by KO loss), then I don't respect that. Take the damn training wheels of them and haul their little asses out of the damn kiddie pool and put them in against each other or at least in even fights to see what they are made of. NO WAY IN HELL a real fan prefers to see setups vs even matchups unless they are biased fanboys or are on the TR or GoldenCrap payroll!

Is it your time of the month or something? Calm the f down.

[richardt]

Is it your time of the month or something? Calm the f down.

If you don't have anything to add B1tch, then go back to playing with your dolls. You're dismissed. Next.