Scott Quigg Vs Carl Frampton

[MisterDeclanCor]

I hoping so.

This may be wishful thinking 'cause like I said I've become blinded by favouritism but if Frampton boxes too much on the back foot I think he's in trouble. He needs to keep Quigg honest either by hurting him with counters or by engaging with him now and again. If he does the later it could be explosive.

After watching him and his team in the build up I'm questioning whether Frampton can keep his composure if he's forced to trade.

some nice posts mman. Yeah, Quigg has Frampton rattled for sure, I saw it all through the media tour and I couldn't stop cringing during the gloves are off. The psychology's fascinatin'. Great match-up, Quigg the tougher, fiercer, more born fighter I'd say, he has the mentality, not crippled by sensitivity, Frampton the slicker, more intelligent. Quigg goes to the body so well and you can really hear his punches thud, Frampton with the footwork and jab necessary to keep it on the outside...but like you say, can he stop himself from becoming emotionally engaged? I'm hoping he has an ******ic moment of rage that culminates in a stunning knockout shot, Quigg flat out on his back. We'll see though lol...

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some nice posts mman. Yeah, Quigg has Frampton rattled for sure, I saw it all through the media tour and I couldn't stop cringing during the gloves are off. The psychology's fascinatin'. Great match-up, Quigg the tougher, fiercer, more born fighter I'd say, he has the mentality, not crippled by sensitivity, Frampton the slicker, more intelligent. Quigg goes to the body so well and you can really hear his punches thud, Frampton with the footwork and jab necessary to keep it on the outside...but like you say, can he stop himself from becoming emotionally engaged? I'm hoping he has an ******ic moment of rage that culminates in a stunning knockout shot, Quigg flat out on his back. We'll see though lol...

From Framptons perspective I'd like to see him fight composed. That's the key for me. He come unstuck early on against Gonzalez by being overly aggressive and got himself in the kind of trouble that he never really needed to be in.

He's the superior boxer in this one and as a rule of thumb that's what we should be going with. If I but my bias to one side for a moment, Quigg doesn't have the array of punches that Carl has and he doesn't select the ones that he does have anywhere near as well as The Jackel.

Even in a straight up trade of punches in the trenches if Quigg gets ahead of himself (which he often does) then he'll hand the advantage over to his opponent. We've all seen his tendency to square up and swing for the fences with wide hooks. Frampton on the other hand stays tight, comes straight down the pipe and has a beautiful habit of finishing his combos with a stiff left that he often steps into. I can see that putting Quigg on the seam of his pants at least once in this fight.

It pains me to say this but like a lot of Manchester fighters Quigg doesn't have the best head movement. Doesn't really slip punches, he's not that great at parrying them, rather he holds his hands high and hopes to absorb shots on his gloves. That's going to make it difficult for him 'cause Carl hides his follow up shots very well with the various types of jab that he uses. He may well be picked off and broken down before he even has a chance to turn it into a brawl.

In fact the more I think about this fight logically the more difficult it is for me to see Quigg winning! But, he's virtually a local lad so I'm backing him anyway.

What do you make of what Quigg was saying about Frampton being knocked out up in Scotland?

[MisterDeclanCor]

From Framptons perspective I'd like to see him fight composed. That's the key for me. He come unstuck early on against Gonzalez by being overly aggressive and got himself in the kind of trouble that he never really needed to be in.

He's the superior boxer in this one and as a rule of thumb that's what we should be going with. If I but my bias to one side for a moment, Quigg doesn't have the array of punches that Carl has and he doesn't select the ones that he does have anywhere near as well as The Jackel.

Even in a straight up trade of punches in the trenches if Quigg gets ahead of himself (which he often does) then he'll hand the advantage over to his opponent. We've all seen his tendency to square up and swing for the fences with wide hooks. Frampton on the other hand stays tight, comes straight down the pipe and has a beautiful habit of finishing his combos with a stiff left that he often steps into. I can see that putting Quigg on the seam of his pants at least once in this fight.

It pains me to say this but like a lot of Manchester fighters Quigg doesn't have the best head movement. Doesn't really slip punches, he's not that great at parrying them, rather he holds his hands high and hopes to absorb shots on his gloves. That's going to make it difficult for him 'cause Carl hides his follow up shots very well with the various types of jab that he uses. He may well be picked off and broken down before he even has a chance to turn it into a brawl.

In fact the more I think about this fight logically the more difficult it is for me to see Quigg winning! But, he's virtually a local lad so I'm backing him anyway.

What do you make of what Quigg was saying about Frampton being knocked out up in Scotland?

Well I'm not too sure what to believe, Frampton said he knew the incident Quigg was referring to and was on the brink of mentioning the fighter in question's name, but failed to elaborate any further. I guess there must be some truth to it, but maybe it was something like a slip or a flash knockdown. I've seen talk of Quigg being delicate around the whiskers and the proof actually being there in some of this fights, apparently Salinas had him rattled with a jab...

But yeah, if Frampton keeps his cool I see him outboxing Quigg for most of the fight but it'll stilll be very close, I think Quigg's an underrated boxer, his movement isn't all that bad and he showed in the Otake fight that he can adapt. I guess we'll see how well he can cut off the ring against Frampton on the backfoot, if he gets him against the ropes and starts whaling those hooks in to head and body we could see Frampton wobbled. I'm an Irishman though and I'll be supporting Frampton to the end, though I believe the psychological edge lies with Quigg. He's got that look in his eyes, unwavering belief...

Gun to the head how does it end for you? Two answers, head and heart

[MisterDeclanCor]

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interesting point Hatton makes here, something I forgot to mention...Quigg has the far superior engine and I reckon Frampton has a bit of trouble in that area, he slowed a bit late in the 2nd Kiko fight

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Well I'm not too sure what to believe, Frampton said he knew the incident Quigg was referring to and was on the brink of mentioning the fighter in question's name, but failed to elaborate any further. I guess there must be some truth to it, but maybe it was something like a slip or a flash knockdown. I've seen talk of Quigg being delicate around the whiskers and the proof actually being there in some of this fights, apparently Salinas had him rattled with a jab...

But yeah, if Frampton keeps his cool I see him outboxing Quigg for most of the fight but it'll stilll be very close, I think Quigg's an underrated boxer, his movement isn't all that bad and he showed in the Otake fight that he can adapt. I guess we'll see how well he can cut off the ring against Frampton on the backfoot, if he gets him against the ropes and starts whaling those hooks in to head and body we could see Frampton wobbled. I'm an Irishman though and I'll be supporting Frampton to the end, though I believe the psychological edge lies with Quigg. He's got that look in his eyes, unwavering belief...

Gun to the head how does it end for you? Two answers, head and heart

It struck me that it may well be a ruse by Gallagher to bolster his man. Something has happened, as like you say Frampton admitted as much, but if a trainer's feeding his fighter gym rumours about his opponent it suggests that he may not have seen as much as he would have liked in actual fight footage that he feels they can exploit. The gym is where a fighter makes his mistakes and trains his weaknesses. As Norman Mailer once pointed out, Muhammad Ali often looked terrible during sparring sessions. It was that point in the 'Behind The Media Tour' programme where Joe stopped Quigg from saying any more about it at the press conference that made me think everything wasn't entirely above board.

Quigg has no doubt of course. That's what's made me warm to him in part. For a relatively young man he's wonderfully comfortable in who he is, even the aspects of his self that could be read as lacking. Frampton and the McGuigan's have jibed him for his 'lack of intelligence' and the fact that he isn't the most articulate. For his part Scott seems to not care a jot. There's something to be said for simplifying your life and focusing solely on the thing that you love.

Should he lose though seemingly only having one thing in his life could turn out to be a detrement. I'm ever conscious that we've already had a local fighter whose sense of self suffered a symbolic death when he found out he wasn't the fighter that he thought he was. I don't want to see that again. There is enormous pressure on both fighters though. Frampton's the heir apparent to Barry McGuigan. There are a lot of posters on this site that can't fathom just what that entails. Times have changed of course, but that still can't be an easy weight for Carl to shoulder.

This is where my heart is becoming torn as fight night approaches. I like Quigg, he's a local lad and for me he's the slight underdog in this one. Joe Gallagher is possibly the best trainer this country has and that's a great thing for this city. All of those factors draw me to towards them.

But here's the thing. McGuigan was a big deal in my home, as he was in many many others. What he symbolised and what that meant to people both elevated boxing and simultaneously made two men punching each other a rather trivial matter. He was the first boxer I ever followed. He's often visited the college that I once attended to offer those involved in the small boxing programme encouragement and support. Shane is a breath of fresh air for the sport and its commendable to see someone of his age in the position that he's in. Frampton's a great talent and I always lean towards skilled boxers. On top of all that, I've got a good number of friends from Belfast who I think very highly of. Their families have always been unfailingly hospitable whenever I've been fortunate enough to go over there.

So at the moment (subject to change of course!), after reacquainting myself with both their fights, both my head and heart are telling me that after going through the fire Quigg finally gets Frampton to engage as he wants him to later on in the bout. Only he hasn't walked him down as he thinks, he's walked into a trap and gets stopped with a heavy counter.

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From Framptons perspective I'd like to see him fight composed. That's the key for me. He come unstuck early on against Gonzalez by being overly aggressive and got himself in the kind of trouble that he never really needed to be in.

He's the superior boxer in this one and as a rule of thumb that's what we should be going with. If I but my bias to one side for a moment, Quigg doesn't have the array of punches that Carl has and he doesn't select the ones that he does have anywhere near as well as The Jackel.

Even in a straight up trade of punches in the trenches if Quigg gets ahead of himself (which he often does) then he'll hand the advantage over to his opponent. We've all seen his tendency to square up and swing for the fences with wide hooks. Frampton on the other hand stays tight, comes straight down the pipe and has a beautiful habit of finishing his combos with a stiff left that he often steps into. I can see that putting Quigg on the seam of his pants at least once in this fight.

It pains me to say this but like a lot of Manchester fighters Quigg doesn't have the best head movement. Doesn't really slip punches, he's not that great at parrying them, rather he holds his hands high and hopes to absorb shots on his gloves. That's going to make it difficult for him 'cause Carl hides his follow up shots very well with the various types of jab that he uses. He may well be picked off and broken down before he even has a chance to turn it into a brawl.

In fact the more I think about this fight logically the more difficult it is for me to see Quigg winning! But, he's virtually a local lad so I'm backing him anyway.

What do you make of what Quigg was saying about Frampton being knocked out up in Scotland?

Styles make fights, And your **** on the button, Stylistically Frampton should take the fight. His movement his selection of punches are way beyond that of Quigg IMO.

Why I give Quigg the even chance, Is that Quigg to me is the stronger fighter, The Bigger fighter, And that of the better engine, Coupled with the fact,that he has been given the role of the slight under dog, Will/has only push him to champion his heart and belief to even greater heights.

Plus I'm a sucker for an "underdog"

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Here's a link to Quigg Vs Frampton behind the ropes, for anyone who hasn't seen it.

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[MisterDeclanCor]

It struck me that it may well be a ruse by Gallagher to bolster his man. Something has happened, as like you say Frampton admitted as much, but if a trainer's feeding his fighter gym rumours about his opponent it suggests that he may not have seen as much as he would have liked in actual fight footage that he feels they can exploit. The gym is where a fighter makes his mistakes and trains his weaknesses. As Norman Mailer once pointed out, Muhammad Ali often looked terrible during sparring sessions. It was that point in the 'Behind The Media Tour' programme where Joe stopped Quigg from saying any more about it at the press conference that made me think everything wasn't entirely above board.

Quigg has no doubt of course. That's what's made me warm to him in part. For a relatively young man he's wonderfully comfortable in who he is, even the aspects of his self that could be read as lacking. Frampton and the McGuigan's have jibed him for his 'lack of intelligence' and the fact that he isn't the most articulate. For his part Scott seems to not care a jot. There's something to be said for simplifying your life and focusing solely on the thing that you love.

Should he lose though seemingly only having one thing in his life could turn out to be a detrement. I'm ever conscious that we've already had a local fighter whose sense of self suffered a symbolic death when he found out he wasn't the fighter that he thought he was. I don't want to see that again. There is enormous pressure on both fighters though. Frampton's the heir apparent to Barry McGuigan. There are a lot of posters on this site that can't fathom just what that entails. Times have changed of course, but that still can't be an easy weight for Carl to shoulder.

This is where my heart is becoming torn as fight night approaches. I like Quigg, he's a local lad and for me he's the slight underdog in this one. Joe Gallagher is possibly the best trainer this country has and that's a great thing for this city. All of those factors draw me to towards them.

But here's the thing. McGuigan was a big deal in my home, as he was in many many others. What he symbolised and what that meant to people both elevated boxing and simultaneously made two men punching each other a rather trivial matter. He was the first boxer I ever followed. He's often visited the college that I once attended to offer those involved in the small boxing programme encouragement and support. Shane is a breath of fresh air for the sport and its commendable to see someone of his age in the position that he's in. Frampton's a great talent and I always lean towards skilled boxers. On top of all that, I've got a good number of friends from Belfast who I think very highly of. Their families have always been unfailingly hospitable whenever I've been fortunate enough to go over there.

So at the moment (subject to change of course!), after reacquainting myself with both their fights, both my head and heart are telling me that after going through the fire Quigg finally gets Frampton to engage as he wants him to later on in the bout. Only he hasn't walked him down as he thinks, he's walked into a trap and gets stopped with a heavy counter.

Shieet, that ever even occurred to me. Yeah, I reckon there could be something in that. You sure know your stuff, sir, technical and psychological. Like me some Norman Mailer, reading some of his stuff assured me that there was a place for the intellectual in boxing. Wish I had more of an understanding of the technical side, never got to box myself and my hands are buggered these days so I can't take it up for the time being.

Yerr I thought initially it was beyond Quigg's mental capabilities to set a trap! But yes, he spoke of it in The Gloves Are Off and sure enough it was a nice counter shot he caught Kiko with. I just hope team Frampton aren't overlooking him in any sense. It's gonna be one hell of a fight. I'm surprised there's not more interest on here. People are more interested in whether or not Mayweather's a ****sexual haha.

Interesting what you say there about Hatton, I know he battled hard with the depression following those two losses. Both by KO too, must've been hard to take. I suffered something similar, a death of the sense of self as you put it, I was once a very promising blues guitar player, destined for great things, then I injured my hands and that dream died. Very hard to take. But! You come out the other side stronger, it's true what they say. Either that or you end it altogether. Ah well.

Yeah, Barry was something else, such a character, very eloquent, a great lilt to his voice, and like you say, everything he encompassed during that time, fantastic. What other fighters do you like?

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frampton by close decision.

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