Comments Thread For: Holyfield: Wilder Still Growing, We Must Give Him Time

[alexguiness]

Wilder is a an untested bum with a belt.

[tostao]

Wilder can have all the time he needs , but not WBC title !

[Tom Cruise]

Deontae is a super big heavyweight. I look forward to seeing him challenge all other heavyweights.

I actually dont think he is that 'big'. He's tall with a long reach which means a lot.

In terms of weight he was a HW at Am level (200lbs) and for his most important fight so far he came in at 219lbs I think.

I think this is a good weight. He stays mobile, fluid and quick, but can clearly still ****.

[New England]

i'm also not sure about the health of deontay's hands. he's got a lot of hardware in his right hand from what i gather. he's not the kind of experienced guy who has been in a boxing ring since he was a boy, and can "play around" and win rounds with a broken hand.

if he breaks his hand agaisnt povetkin he's going to get overwhelmed and stopped. he might get overwhelmed and stopped anyway. if you let him learn to box he's got a good shot of beating povetkin, who would have trouble with the reach, movement, and obviously the punching power.

[Tom Cruise]

i'm also not sure about the health of deontay's hands. he's got a lot of hardware in his right hand from what i gather. he's not the kind of experienced guy who has been in a boxing ring since he was a boy, and can "play around" and win rounds with a broken hand.

if he breaks his hand agaisnt povetkin he's going to get overwhelmed and stopped. he might get overwhelmed and stopped anyway. if you let him learn to box he's got a good shot of beating povetkin, who would have trouble with the reach, movement, and obviously the punching power.

If a Povetkin fight happened now or in the near future Wilder would need to learn how to clinch. Unless his fitness is extremely good, I cant see him utilizing that movement for 12 rounds under the kind of pressure that Povetkin would bring. He would need other ways to stop Pov beating him at middle and close range

[New England]

I actually dont think he is that 'big'. He's tall with a long reach which means a lot.

In terms of weight he was a HW at Am level (200lbs) and for his most important fight so far he came in at 219lbs I think.

I think this is a good weight. He stays mobile, fluid and quick, but can clearly still ****.

he's got a very low percentage of fat for a gigantic HW. he's lean like a weight class boxer. those kinds of athletes are getting rarer and rarer at HW. he'd put on 10 lbs of water weight and fat if he weren't such a gifted athlete with such gifted chemistry. maybe 20.


he's also got little legs, so his shoulders get a lot of that 220 lbs.

also, 220 isn't exactly little when you're ripped. joe louis was around 210 lbs and ripped in his prime. he broke max schmeling's back with a right hand . his back!

george foreman wasn't much more than 220 in his prime, and he was a superhuman puncher.

lamon brewster was a soft 225 when he stopped wladimir.

NE was a shredded 220 lb 20 year old when he deadlifted 495 for 2-3 reps.

you get the idea.

[Deevel916]

most of those fights ended in less than a round. total rounds are a much more important metric than fights at HW. you don't learn much from blowing somebody out in a round or two, which is what happens often if you're a HW with talent and power and starting your career in the american south.


he's only boxed 90 rounds as a pro. i do think he should ahve been moved against more durable guys early on, but in their defense, they tried that. liakhovich, scott, weren't supposed to fall down after the first big shot they took.




i think a better question is, "why rush deontay wilder unless you have some kind of agenda and want him to lose?"

It's not about wanting to see him to lose. I actually like Wilder but I also want to see him take on some stiffer competition. He has an amateur career along with being an olympic medalists. He's now a pro with 34 bouts under his belt. If he isnt ready for the likes of a Povetkin at this point then something is wrong.

[New England]

If a Povetkin fight happened now or in the near future Wilder would need to learn how to clinch. Unless his fitness is extremely good, I cant see him utilizing that movement for 12 rounds under the kind of pressure that Povetkin would bring. He would need other ways to stop Pov beating him at middle and close range

right hands and jabs. there's a massive difference in reach, and more importantly footspeed, which is where klitschko's game at 40ish years old drops off. wladimir is strong as f, and just has to lean on you.


it would come down to ring generalship. if wilder can move properly and stay in the middle of the ring he's got every advantage. right now he'd lose. 12 rounds is a long time.

he's definitely got a shot to walk away with that fight if he learns to use his body correctly.

[Zaroku]

I actually dont think he is that 'big'. He's tall with a long reach which means a lot.

In terms of weight he was a HW at Am level (200lbs) and for his most important fight so far he came in at 219lbs I think.

I think this is a good weight. He stays mobile, fluid and quick, but can clearly still ****.

Agreed. Tall! But I thought he was over 225?

[mlac]

i agree, he should be 50-0 before fighting anyone with a pulse.