Mike Tyson: "Ronda Rousey is the real deal, would of kicked my ass in mma in my PRIME

[Syf]

Fighting is truly about the two people competing, not styles. There is not one style, or mix of styles, that is better than another. It is down to the people to be at their best, and a lot of that has to do with their own condition.

I've said in the past that elite boxers can beat elite MMA fighters, and I've had people look at me like if that were impossible. Their sole argument is that, obviously, the MMA people "can do more." Now, while that makes sense, you cannot forget to look at the bigger picture. MMA fighters have trained at doing more, but for how long, and to what efficiency? Lots of MMA fighters throughout its history have been mostly centered around one style, and they gradually have come to implement others. Each one was good at either wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, etc, and they started practicing different ones. How would that be any different from a boxer switching over to MMA and learning something new?

Also, many MMA fighters dominate utilizing one style. Ronda Rousey is a great example of my whole argument. She began in one martial art, and, later on, diversified. To this day, she, for the most part, wins fights using judo. Her stand-up fighting is nowhere near as efficient.

So, what are we talking about here? Fighters who have GROWN up learning various martial arts, for the most part, do not exist. I suspect they will in the future, with the popularity of MMA rising, but they are not here yet. Hence, is the real argument here that boxers simply can't win in MMA because they'd be taken down, kicked on the head, or something?

What about a guy like Chuck Liddell? He dominated MMA for the longest time, using stand-up. And, in my opinion, his stand-up was about as good as Ricardo Mayorga's was in his prime. This guy beat people like Randy Couture by, pretty much, punching them. What's to stop a boxer from doing the same?

While I agree that, in theory, the more you know, the better, there is nothing that guarantees anything in a real fight. If you dominate one martial art, it is absolutely possible for you to beat someone who knows more than one. You just have to be that good at it. Ironically, MMA itself is the best example of this.

What I've seen from a lot of MMA fighters over the years is, quite frankly, not that impressive. Lots of slow guys taking too many shots with terrible technique. There is nothing that I see that would stop an elite boxer from knocking them out. Are there things an elite boxer would have to watch out for? Of course, but, people forget, they will KNOW they have to. Fighters prepare for these things.

Ronda Rousey said it herself; if she were to fight Mayweather, she'd be jumping around on her knees like the "monkey" guy from Blood Sport. She knows, and I can definitely tell, that her stand-up wouldn't stand a chance. Her hope is to, pretty much, surprise-tackle him down. Now, do you think someone as calculating as Mayweather wouldn't already expect this? You think he's going to lazily stand around like James Toney when fighting RANDY COUTURE, for God's sake?! LOL Poor Toney shouldn't have, and still shouldn't, be fighting anymore. Only fools would believe the "legend" hype they put around that fight to try to prove MMA fighters would "easily" beat boxers. Has no one seen Ray Mercer vs Tim Sylvia, which could possibly be the real reason that Toney-Couture past-prime mismatch took place?

Again, I agree that knowing as much as possible is the best thing any fighter can do, but to act like boxers don't stand a chance in MMA is equivalent to pretending that a fighter using judo, wrestling, or Brazilian jujitsu doesn't stand one, either.

And forget a real fight. In a real fight, you think anyone's going to want to be wrestling on the ground, when someone can gouge your eye out or rip "something else" off? There are real risks in street fights, and one of those is that there are no rules. Anything goes. Isn't it much smarter to fight standing up? And did you know that fighters miss most head kicks? What does that leave you with, in terms of finishing someone off without a weapon?

I don't think leg kicks will do the trick.

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That's right, boxing.

I agree with a lot of this... generally it's about the individual more so than the art. Every fighting art worth a look has had someone in it, at some point in history, that could kick some serious ass. Question is, can their students? Bruce Lee is a prime example. I have personally seen some laughable wing Chun practitioners, but Bruce was a very formidable one even before he studied other styles. His base was still wing chun.

As to a boxer against mma, I have been saying for the longest that mma supremacy is a myth propagated by mma. In a fight it's whoever can use their strengths and tools first. The James toney fight WAS a mismatch and a joke. Ray mercer showed how a boxer, who specializes in throwing hands, has an edge so long as he has the opportunity to bring his weapons to bear.

To this day, mma hasn't dared to lure a prime elite ko artist from boxing to their octagon. Closest was Mercer...but he was past prime. The reason for this is it would dispel the myth of mma supremacy with quickness. They'd rather lure James Toney fat ass and use that as some kind of proof.

Which brings me to Tyson's comment. Laughable. Size, strength, and sheer destruction. One punch from prime tyson in those tiny gloves puts Rousey in a wheelchair.. real talk.

[glenn mcrory]

Then why isn't she beating 130 lbs men in MMA? Also, the guy you're named after quit against a tomato can in his pro boxing career. I guess his striking abilities were just massively inferior to some random unranked boxer.

lol people need to understand just how bad mma striking technique is compared to boxing. Hell UFC commentator Joe Rogan brings it up all the time during fights. He knows how bad some of the fighters look throwing hands, and the striking specialists don't ever look anything more than solid.

[BrometheusBob.]

Because boxing is only one aspect of fighting whereas MMA incorperates A LOT MORE.. thus she has more tools perfected to beat any man who hasn't trained mma before.

Comon dog this post is embarrassing. Most UFC fighters are terrible at boxing.

Mike Tyson, if serious, is grossly overestimating Ronda's punch resistance or grossly underestimating his ability to land a punch on her. One punch from prime Tyson and it's night night for Rousey.

[1hourRun]

100 Trillion that Rhonda wins?

Im not going to lie Im not putting any real money on this given Holms has not faced a top five fighter from what I understand -- I dont follow womens MMA.

[Tom Cruise]

Honestly, **** MMA for a second, I reckon Rousey would struggle to beat Tyson in a Judo match.

[Tom Cruise]

If Tyson landed one single full force punch on her she would probably be close to death.

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Tyson just telling fools what they want to hear. If anyone thinks Rousey could stand up to a prime Mike Tyson in whatever combat needs their head checking out.

[Tom Cruise]

I used to do Judo for about 5 years as a teenager.

There were a few times I went up against people who were significantly bigger than me and they could just throw me around like a ragdoll. One guy was not even skilled in the slightest and he would just grab me and start wrenching me from side to side. Very difficult to produce real technique when the person you are trying to throw/hold has such a big size/strength advantage.

Now obviously I'm not an Olympic Bronze medallist, but then my opponents werent undisputed World Boxing Champions who outweighed me by 100lbs either.

[Hougigo]

Does she have some kind of stock that he bought in to?

[alexguiness]

Look, lets be REALLY honest here for one second.

Most women kind of suck at boxing and MMA period.

Rousey is the best of a very small percentage of those that have done better than just compete.

She is nothing special in the broader sense, she is popular because she is 1) White, 2) An Ex Olympian 3) Not unattractive 4) Media Savvy

Any decent club standard or Amateur male boxer would school her.

Most Olympic Female boxers would school her.

Most Semi Pro MMA guys would beat her.

I'm not hating on the girl, but all this talk of her being some kind of warrior princess is just total bu11****.