Comments Thread For: Crawford vs. Jean: Early Results From Omaha

[embryo]

can anyone tell me why my feed is showing the GGG fight?? I got it from firstrowsports

[glenn mcrory]

You are trying to turn it into a sounding board for your disproval of Haymon and TOTALLY missed the point I clearly made. I don't know ANYONE who would rather see a 20-0 guy go against a hapless 19-7 fighter as opposed to a 20-0 fighter going up against an 18-1 fighter where the odds are closer to even.

If becoming contenders and champs is defined as "running into walls" then I am pretty ***ing damn certain every fighter dreams of "running into walls". And yes, even though it pains some to realize that ShoBox and PBC alumni will become contenders and champions, it will still happen.

This is not about hating on Haymon no matter how much you want to make it about that, it is about the fighters on ShoBox and PBC who are taking risks instead of fighting hapless 15-7 opposition and yes, Haymon fighters will become contenders and champs, even though that seems to cause you great pain thinking about it.

Theyll make better fights as theyre fighting mediocre guys with 0's just like they themselves, thats why theyre even. Supposedly these fights cut the wheat from the chaff, but theyre really no different. The 0 just makes the fight look "better".

When I say champ, I don't mean a paid-for title shot paper titlist. I mean someone people dont groan calling a world champion.

Theyre taking risks because they know they will lose later anyways(to someone not very good) while still trying to keep a decent looking record. The others will take their risky fights when the truly important fights come up. Thats why when they do take them, they tend to shine or at least look good in them because even while fighting stiffs, they were always ready. The other guys bring these guys up even a little and they either struggle mightly or get outright exposed.

[richardt]

Theyll make better fights as theyre fighting mediocre guys with 0's just like they themselves, thats why theyre even. Supposedly these fights cut the wheat from the chaff, but theyre really no different. The 0 just makes the fight look "better".

When I say champ, I don't mean a paid-for title shot paper titlist. I mean someone people dont groan calling a world champion.

Theyre taking risks because they know they will lose later anyways(to someone not very good) while still trying to keep a decent looking record. The others will take their risky fights when the truly important fights come up. Thats why when they do take them, they tend to shine or at least look good in them because even while fighting stiffs, they were always ready. The other guys bring these guys up even a little and they either struggle mightly or get outright exposed.

Again, you missed the point!! I will simplify! I can speak for all boxing fans (not fanboys who only want to see their fighter win). When a fan (not a fanboy) sits down to watch the fights and he watches a card where it contains nothing but house fighters going up against no hopers, he is not a happy fan!! When a fan sits down and watches even or near even matchups that turn out to be exciting and highly competitive where slight favorites or slight underdogs win, he is a happy fan! SIMPLE!!! Stop with the philosophical BS about "taking risks because they will lose later" or "paper champs", nor political agendas against Haymon, it has nothing to do with the core of what a true fight fan wants to see!

[glenn mcrory]

Again, you missed the point!! I will simplify! I can speak for all boxing fans (not fanboys who only want to see their fighter win). When a fan (not a fanboy) sits down to watch the fights and he watches a card where it contains nothing but house fighters going up against no hopers, he is not a happy fan!! When a fan sits down and watches even or near even matchups that turn out to be exciting and highly competitive where slight favorites or slight underdogs win, he is a happy fan! SIMPLE!!! Stop with the philosophical BS about "taking risks because they will lose later" or "paper champs", nor political agendas against Haymon, it has nothing to do with the core of what a true fight fan wants to see!

Where did you get the idea I'm necessarily a fan of the bum fights?
Theyre setup fights and they have their purpose, I dont really pay attention to them because there's no point. Theyre called showcases for a reason.
TR seems versed in creating good fighters so while it looks ugly and pointless I'm sure these type of fights serve their purpose.

Certain fighters will be in their even, entertaining fights later at world level, because they are capable of getting there and those bum fights were just a means to an end. Theres also always those overrated prospects who will bite off more than they can chew and now suddenly we have an even match. Others will have their memorable fights down on the undercards.

My point is that of course we'd all prefer better overall fights, but fighting other prospects or non gravy setups doesnt make you better, just makes for better fights some of the time. Keep in mind GBP/TR also dont have large stables, so theyll want to diminish their roster even less, even if the losses are from amongst their own. Not excusing it, just the way things seem to be.

[richardt]

Where did you get the idea I'm necessarily a fan of the bum fights?
Theyre setup fights and they have their purpose, I dont really pay attention to them because there's no point. Theyre called showcases for a reason.
TR seems versed in creating good fighters so while it looks ugly and pointless I'm sure these type of fights serve their purpose.

Certain fighters will be in their even, entertaining fights later at world level, because they are capable of getting there and those bum fights were just a means to an end. Theres also always those overrated prospects who will bite off more than they can chew and now suddenly we have an even match. Others will have their memorable fights down on the undercards.

My point is that of course we'd all prefer better overall fights, but fighting other prospects or non gravy setups doesnt make you better, just makes for better fights some of the time. Keep in mind GBP/TR also dont have large stables, so theyll want to diminish their roster even less, even if the losses are from amongst their own. Not excusing it, just the way things seem to be.

Again, you are getting into philosophical judgment! Prospects who fight prospects get more respect and have a greater chance of rising to the top then fighting one no hoper after another. BOTTOM LINE: GBP and TR are the latter and ShoBox and PBC are the former and that is not debatable.

[glenn mcrory]

Again, you are getting into philosophical judgment! Prospects who fight prospects get more respect and have a greater chance of rising to the top then fighting one no hoper after another. BOTTOM LINE: GBP and TR are the latter and ShoBox and PBC are the former and that is not debatable.

This isn't true. Some guys just have it and some don't. Sometimes guys are raw and need some polish but youre still working with what they have. You cant create something that isnt there.
A guy like Broner, for example, had he fought better record guys earlier in his career, hed just have more losses and would be the same limited fighter he is today. If anything, those extra losses would've gotten him fed instead .
He got pampered instead and is just not a good fighter and hangs just below the level he was never meant to ascend.

[richardt]

This isn't true. Some guys just have it and some don't. Sometimes guys are raw and need some polish but youre still working with what they have. You cant create something that isnt there.
A guy like Broner, for example, had he fought better record guys earlier in his career, hed just have more losses and would be the same limited fighter he is today. If anything, those extra losses would've gotten him fed instead .
He got pampered instead and is just not a good fighter and hangs just below the level he was never meant to ascend.

I didn't say anything about any guarantee that all prospects who beat prospects will rise to the top. I talked about chance. ShowBox has PROVEN this!! Over 87 fighters have gone on to fight for a title and over 50 have become world champions! Those fighters started out fighting another prospect like themselves. I'm talking facts and you are going off a philosophical deep end.