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  • Larry the boss
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    Prime..lets dicuss when you think certain fighters prime began and ended

    Roy Jones

    Bernard Hopkins

    Floyd Mayweather

    Manny Pacquiao

    Ricky Hatton

    Wladamir Klitchko

    Joe Calzaghe


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    Definitely think Pac slowed down after Margarito and Floyd slowed down after Cotto.

    But both are excellent boxers and either one still have the ability to clean out the current crop of Welterweights.

    Haven't seen enough tape to comment on the other guys. Hopkins is an odd case.

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      Put Rod Salka and Rohan Murdock in the mix!

      let's discuss

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        #4
        Originally posted by LarryXXX
        Roy Jones

        Bernard Hopkins

        Floyd Mayweather

        Manny Pacquiao

        Ricky Hatton

        Wladamir Klitchko

        Joe Calzaghe


        post more if you please
        I think Hatton was about 2005 until round 10 of the Floyd fight. He was never the same after that night. He had a short prime. He's still a little better than people give him credit for. He was a very good Light-Welterweight for a couple of years and stopping Castillo in 4 rounds in 2007 is still good. He did it quicker than Provodnikov could in 2014 when JLC had no business being in a ring anymore.

        With Floyd and Hopkins it's hard to tell completely in a way. Their boxing IQ could win them fights and distort the fact that their physical tools were diminishing and in one sense they were better as they got older because they were smarter, but they were not physically as good anymore. So Mayweather's and Hopkins' physical prime and his prime as an educated boxer in the ring were two separate things i think. So it's hard to give an exact time scale.

        Klitschko i'd say around 2006-2012. I think his age is catching up but there heavyweight division hasn't had the talent to exploit it. Also he's very smart in the ring like the two guys above which has helped but i think he could be more vulnerable than those if he had the right competition.

        Pacquiao around 2006-2011 - He showed signs of slipping since around the time of the Mosley fight and no real signs since that he can get back to that level, including that Marquez KO. That prime ended almost 5 years ago, that's a long time ago in boxing and won't return now.

        I'm too young to really know the early part of Roy Jones career so i can't really say. Also that goes for Hopkins too, and Floyd too to some extent, so maybe my above description on Hopkins and Floyd is off, but i've seen videos of a lot of of their earlier fights to see there's a definite difference between then and recent years in terms of physical skills. I've seen some of Roy Jones earlier fights and a lot of the highlights but not enough to give an answer.


        Calzaghe i have no idea because the level of top opponents is very sparse. Maybe around the time of the Kessler fight, that's a great win against an undefeated Kessler. All it showed to me was he could beat very good fighters when he actually stepped in with them, but he didn't do it enough. My feeling is that what would have been his actual prime years, early to mid 2000's were spent fighting average competition.
        Last edited by deathofaclown; 10-22-2015, 01:41 PM.

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          Originally posted by SlySlickSmooth
          Definitely think Pac slowed down after Margarito and Floyd slowed down after Cotto.

          But both are excellent boxers and either one still have the ability to clean out the current crop of Welterweights.

          Haven't seen enough tape to comment on the other guys. Hopkins is an odd case.
          Yes,im lost on him

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          • Sugar Adam Ali
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            #6
            Originally posted by LarryXXX
            Roy Jones

            Bernard Hopkins

            Floyd Mayweather

            Manny Pacquiao

            Ricky Hatton

            Wladamir Klitchko

            Joe Calzaghe


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            Hopkins about 97-2003

            Floyd 98-2005

            Manny 01-2010

            Hatton 03-08

            Wlad 2005-2012

            Calzaghe 03-07

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            • SlySlickSmooth
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              #7
              Originally posted by LarryXXX
              Yes,im lost on him
              Not many fighters dedicate themselves to training and dieting like he does so that's probably one reason.

              I remember him going on in some video about buffalo meat in his diet for training or something.

              His clean lifestyle and work ethic shows the outcomes, Floyd could very well fight into his 40s like Hopkins if he wanted to and still find championship success.

              Found some video of him talking about discipline

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                #8
                Originally posted by LarryXXX
                Yes,im lost on him
                That's an easy one... It was somewhere between 1993 and 2012 lol.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                  Hopkins about 97-2003

                  Floyd 98-2005

                  Manny 01-2010

                  Hatton 03-08

                  Wlad 2005-2012

                  Calzaghe 03-07
                  Hopkins beat Oscar,Pavlick,Tarver,Winky,Pascal, all after 2003... Not too shabby

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                  • Sugar Adam Ali
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
                    Hopkins beat Oscar,Pavlick,Tarver,Winky,Pascal, all after 2003... Not too shabby
                    Yeah, but it wasn't a prime version.. He explosiveness and punching power, stamina and speed went downhill around the joppy fight.. Hopkins was smart enough and adapt but he was more like Michael Jordan with the fadeaway instead of jordan dunking..

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