Is James Degale Now The Boss Of 168 With Ward Moving To 175?

[MDPopescu]

And 2 against Paul Smith.

Must be making bank over there.

He even gave Smith a rematch -- in order to train him for Andre Ward.

[Jewish-Reptile]

DeGale beat Andre Dirrell who is leagues above Stieglitz. And Dirrell boxed Abraham's **** off.

Stieglitz is ****. I'm well aware of his piss poor career. Him and Abraham's fight series was like the Special Olympics or Women's football. Irrelevant. A battle to become the worst of the 4 champions.

Until DeGale handles a B+ level opponent like Abraham handled Stieglitz you're opinion does not hold weight. If DeGale handles Bute in the same manner I believe that victory would be as impressive or at least equal, I doubt DeGale defeats Bute personally though.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Until DeGale handles a B+ level opponent like Abraham handled Stieglitz you're opinion does not hold weight. If DeGale handles Bute in the same manner I believe that victory would be as impressive or at least equal, I doubt DeGale defeats Bute personally though.

But DeGale has already beaten a better fighter than both Abraham and Steiglitz. I don't see why you ignore this fact and it shows your opinion holds no weight.

Does DeGale have to take 4 tries to look impressive against Bute too?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Come on Weiland, Abraham took two attempts to deal with Paul fkin Smith

A guy who DeGale toyed with in his own hometown of Liverpool in James' 8th fight.

The fact that Abraham has had probably double the fights also makes this debate even more laughable.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Come on Weiland, Abraham took two attempts to deal with Paul fkin Smith

A guy who DeGale toyed with in his own hometown of Liverpool in James' 8th fight.

The fact that Abraham has had probably double the fights also makes this debate even more laughable.

DeGale is impressive, has great skills, he switches off for large periods of fights though. I can't quite remember the scoring of DeGale vs Dirrell but if I recall mid to late he gave possibly four rounds away on the spin, you can not do that at elite level. If DeGale is no.1 in the division it really shows how much lack of depth their is there right now.

I like watching the guy, he's a great addition and asset to the division, am I sold ? Absolutely not. I'd like to see a Groves rematch even though I'm not sure how much that proves, lets see how he fares with Bute first, I used to rate him exceptionally highly.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Come on Weiland, Abraham took two attempts to deal with Paul fkin Smith

A guy who DeGale toyed with in his own hometown of Liverpool in James' 8th fight.

The fact that Abraham has had probably double the fights also makes this debate even more laughable.

I'm not saying Abe is no.1, just that his victory over Stieglitz is far more convincing than anything DeGale has ever achieved. Is Stieglitz a level below Dirrell ? I do not believe so, what has Dirrell achieved that Stieglitz has not ?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I'm not saying Abe is no.1, just that his victory over Stieglitz is far more convincing than anything DeGale has ever achieved. Is Stieglitz a level below Dirrell ? I do not believe so, what has Dirrell achieved that Stieglitz has not ?

Dirrell boxed an undefeated Abraham's **** off. When Abraham was confident and considered the favourite for the Super Six tournament. Dirrell arguably beat Carl Froch. I mean it's just blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes that he's a better fighter than Steiglitz.

****, Anthony Dirrell is better than Stieglitz.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Dirrell boxed an undefeated Abraham's **** off. When Abraham was confident and considered the favourite for the Super Six tournament. Dirrell arguably beat Carl Froch. I mean it's just blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes that he's a better fighter than Steiglitz.

****, Anthony Dirrell is better than Stieglitz.

Kessler was the favourite for the S6, and rightly so at the time.

Dirrell finds a way to lose, that is an unfortunate trait of his. Did he beat Froch, possibly, we know Froch struggles against durable boxers, I'd fancy DeGale to have beaten any version of Froch, likely why he retired so his record is some what comparable to Calzaghe's, Froch was lucky being paired against Bute, Groves and Kessler in his last 4-5 fights, he was certainly fortunate against Kessler in the rematch, if Kessler had been 4-5 years younger I think he'd have stopped that version of Froch personally.

Antony Dirrell is lazier than Andre, don't offend Steiglitz like that, is Dirrell more skilled, yes, has he more heart, workrate, guts and determination, absolutely not, Stieglitz has everything Antony Dirrell needs to be the complete package.

We can dissect these guys all evening Antony Dirrell has overachieved IMO he made how many successful defences ? Stieglitz may have had some soft defences but he displayed he was at least a deserving titleist whilst he held it, can the same be said of Dirrell ?

I think DeGale if switched on defeats Antony Dirrell, in an 8-4 rounds type fight, close and cagey like his IBF title fight against his brother, I doubt he drops him though, I'd probably consider it a better win than the Andre fight too. As I said what has Andre Dirrell really achieved bar the Abraham win, who has shown he is as lazy as Andre Dirrell himself when the opposition proves game.

You're right the Dirrell vs Abe fight was a good win, but it also exposed Abe's limitations, I don't consider Abraham a top level guy and DeGale really hasn't established himself head and shoulders above the guy, he's shown great potential and will likely go on and emulate Abe's success if he is matched as he has been in his fights in Germany, their records must be considered somewhat close already. A win over Bute, Groves or Jack I say DeGale is easily no.1.