How is this guy a legend?

[M Bison]

Has Ward left officially? I mean, we all know he hasn't been there for years, but still.

The SMW division is better than MW, that much is for sure. Degale, Jack, Abraham, Stieglitz, Ramirez, Groves, Dirrell brothers, Bute, Fedor Chudinov looks decent and you have guys like Callum Smith coming up.

But as I said, GGG is well within his rights to stay at MW especially as he's not a SMW.

Other than Ward, GGG would come in as the favourite against each and everyone of those guys at SMW.
Bute, Abraham, Stieglitz I'm pretty sure their best has long since past
Anthony Dirrell I've never been too high on him, he's okay but nothing special his brother is a different scenario.
Apart from DeGale, Andre Dirrell and maybe Badou Jack the division doesn't have a lot going on, imo the middleweight division looks more exciting with possibly better match ups to made down the line.

[LacedUp]

He might be favourite, but he's an overwhelming favourite against each middleweight there is right now. Cotto will move down if he beats Canelo for sure. Canelo vs GGG would be a good fight.

Lee, Quillin, Jacobs etc are no match for GGG if we're honest.

The guys I mentioned would be better fights for sure.

And Middleweight more exciting than SMW? Definitely not.

[M Bison]

Abraham is too inactive in his fight plan, he's be stopped easily, Bute was stopped as an amateur with all that head gear and extra protective measures that and he is a shell of him former self, Stieglitz...
Those three have nothing over Jacobs, Quillin, Andy Lee or even Cotto/Canelo

I fail to see how SMW is more talented than MW, its not like everyone is rounding up getting hyped to see Badou Jack fight or Groves or DeGale it doesn't bring much excitement at all in comparison to MW I'll stand by that in fighting terms and actual hype.

I don't even think the Swedes watch Badou Jack :/ they seem more interested for MMA star Gustaffasson.

[STAX ON DECK]

is this thread on par with the "unbiased boxrec rankings" thread???

worst thread ever HOF

[BennyST]

If there were so many good fighters, why was he facing a guy who was 0-1 in his 35th fight? I can't even imagine the amount of flak GGG would get if his next fight is against a guy who is 0-1. Even after his 35th fight, it was 15 more before he finally got a chance. What you dudes fail to realize is that their situations are quite similar, except GGG wasn't fighting guys who had one fight, or 26 losses. GGG is fighting top ten middleweights and you dudes are saying he needs to move up because the division is weak. How come it's not, he's just that good?

Are you trying to suggest that they were both at comparative levels of their careers after 35 fights? If so, that makes you a bigger moron than your initial posts had led me to believe possible. Hagler was 23 moron. GGG is 33 and has been champion for years. How does that comparison make sense to anyone with a brain?

[SeekDaGreat]

A guy that is considered one of the best 135 pounders ever was in a great fight with a MW? Damn! Legend!

Hmm...what age did Duran fight at 135? And what age did Duran fight at MW? How much did you weigh at 20-25 years old and how much did you weight at 30-35years old? Did Duran not win fights and titles at MW?

If Hagler isn't a legendary MW, than who the **** is? Gullible Golovkin Groupies kill us....

On one hand, you have a guy who's fought at least three of the greatest boxers of all time while never being knocked down fighting them and being competitive in all three fights, if not winning.

On another hand, you have a guy who's best win is Gabe Rosado....Jesus H Christ....give the world a break.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Never moved up, and didn't fight for a title until his 50th fight, didn't win a championship until his 54th fight.

How is this even possible to call a guy like this legendary? In his 45th fight, he fought a guy with 38 losses. In his 39th fight he fought a guy with 11 wins and 26 losses. In his 38th fight, he fought a guy with just 11 fights. In his 35th fight, he fought a guy with one single fight, a loss.

So your tweet refers to a fighter. Proceeds to show a gif of Morris Day dancing.

I mean I can tell you why Morris Day is a legend but I'm fairly certain he's never been a fighter...

[bklynboy]

Never moved up, and didn't fight for a title until his 50th fight, didn't win a championship until his 54th fight.

How is this even possible to call a guy like this legendary? In his 45th fight, he fought a guy with 38 losses. In his 39th fight he fought a guy with 11 wins and 26 losses. In his 38th fight, he fought a guy with just 11 fights. In his 35th fight, he fought a guy with one single fight, a loss.

You spent some time at boxrec. That's good. But you missed an important detail. Hagler was 24 when he had his 45th fight. That's younger than Canelo is now.

You're right that he didn't win a championship until his 54th fight but he was robbed (in my opinion) of a victory in his first fight against Antuofermo. (His 50th fight in case that matters).

He's a legend because he dominated and cleaned out the middleweight division for 7+ years. Along the way he beat some very good fighters.

Antuofermo was not the best fighter but he was a tough son-of-a-***** and Hagler dominated two fights (a draw in the first ). Alan Minter, Mustafo Hamsho and John Mugabi were excellent middleweights. They're better than anyone in the division now except for GGG and I think they would have been excellent fights. In fact I would say Hamsho and Mugabi are better than Paul Williams, Pavlek, Jermain Taylor and I think they would have given Sergio Martinez his hardest tests as well. Only Bernard Hopkins and GGG are above them. (I'm sure there are GGG detractors out there who think he would have lost to both of them.)

So why is Hagler considered to be a great champion. He ruled the middleweight division for 7 years or so and beat some very good fighters along the way. His title defense was against excellent fighters:

Antuofermo ex-middleweight champion
Minter(x2) - ex middleweight champ
Hamsho
Mugabi

and lets not forget Hearns and Duran.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Hmm...what age did Duran fight at 135? And what age did Duran fight at MW? How much did you weigh at 20-25 years old and how much did you weight at 30-35years old? Did Duran not win fights and titles at MW?

If Hagler isn't a legendary MW, than who the **** is? Gullible Golovkin Groupies kill us....

On one hand, you have a guy who's fought at least three of the greatest boxers of all time while never being knocked down fighting them and being competitive in all three fights, if not winning.

On another hand, you have a guy who's best win is Gabe Rosado....Jesus H Christ....give the world a break.

Hagler was a great MW. If you compare what he and GGG did in their first 10 years, Hagler's resume isn't all that. So some of the hate towards GGG is uncalled for. You're telling me Duran was a true MW? Both him and Hearns went up in weight to face Hagler.

You're comparing Hagler's whole career vs someone who's currently boxing. Wait till GGG's career is finished and then talk.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You spent some time at boxrec. That's good. But you missed an important detail. Hagler was 24 when he had his 45th fight. That's younger than Canelo is now.

You're right that he didn't win a championship until his 54th fight but he was robbed (in my opinion) of a victory in his first fight against Antuofermo. (His 50th fight in case that matters).

He's a legend because he dominated and cleaned out the middleweight division for 7+ years. Along the way he beat some very good fighters.

Antuofermo was not the best fighter but he was a tough son-of-a-***** and Hagler dominated two fights (a draw in the first ). Alan Minter, Mustafo Hamsho and John Mugabi were excellent middleweights. They're better than anyone in the division now except for GGG and I think they would have been excellent fights. In fact I would say Hamsho and Mugabi are better than Paul Williams, Pavlek, Jermain Taylor and I think they would have given Sergio Martinez his hardest tests as well. Only Bernard Hopkins and GGG are above them. (I'm sure there are GGG detractors out there who think he would have lost to both of them.)

So why is Hagler considered to be a great champion. He ruled the middleweight division for 7 years or so and beat some very good fighters along the way. His title defense was against excellent fighters:

Antuofermo ex-middleweight champion
Minter(x2) - ex middleweight champ
Hamsho
Mugabi

and lets not forget Hearns and Duran.

So what you're saying is, the other best middleweights of Haglers time were willing to fight him? Oh, ok.

Are the other best middleweights of Golovkins time willing to fight him?

Oh.

I see.

Yea, that seems to be the one huge and glaring difference. No?


But yea, Hearns and Duran. Isn't that the equivalent of Floyd, Canelo or Cotto?