Do boxers OWE US their LIVES?

[hhs661]

Well, it's like going to a strip club. You don't care about the strippers life or struggles... you are there to get entertained and then bounce.

Fighters today fight another sort of slavery.. fight to feed yourself and your kids or struggle and starve in our capitalist system. They fight for economic freedom.

Never had a stripper die for a dollar bill


but you said they made millions, thus they owe us their lives. Are they really struggling if they make millions? Or are you now equating this great question to the boxers that make nothing that fight in places you've probably never heard of?

I still don't get your stance even more now. You just said they fight to feed themselves and their family. Or the struggle, but if they fight to the death, that broke ass family will have no one to support them..

so which is it? Do they still owe us their lives or not?

[boxinghead530]

You need a boxer with balls for that idea to work. It already takes balls to step in the ring, let alone fight in an offense-heavy style. Fighting the way you're taking about takes a lot of heart.

Also, boxing techniques are getting better, specifically defense. The only way you can get those type of wars is by matchmaking. I rather watch lesser skilled fighters who have a lot of heart and are willing to put it all on the line than watch the best boxers in the world, usually because they're defensive specialists and know how to spoil the action, i.e. Rigondueax, Ward, Mayweather.

I agree with the bolded statement. My favorite fighters now and past are the less skilled ones but ones with more heart and desire. To me that's the essence of boxing, maximizing all you got and overcoming your shortcoming. I love it when a less skilled fighter can overcome someone with more skills by utilizing his heart and desire to win.

[R_Walken]

I really don't care. If Im at an arena, I dont care about your life story, entertain me, I get my excitement, grab my things and head back home entertained.



I seriously would have loved to watch that LIVE. I wish time travel was an option, that is definitely one of the things I would love to witness live AND at the coliseum... imagine the experience. Watching a Golovkin type gladiator END another gladiator, just a savage brutal display. Id go berserk, I cant even imagine the adrenaline rush Id get watching that.

Not suprised that a lame comment like this would be coming from you.

This whole thread is Ret.arded, I think the fact most boxers leave the game with permanent mental and physical disabilities is enough to ask from these fighters.

If watching another man die is your idea of entertainment go watch faces of death , boxing is a sport do you expect any other athlete /entertainer to die for you to be satisfied.

grow some stones and stop living vicariously through your heroes and do the act yourself but I have a feeling your a punk so that's probably not happening.

[Rockin']

they OWE you their lives?????

fighters don't owe you ****!!! ..............

[Rockin']

No.

I think fighters are risking their life already just by entering the ring anyway. This is a dangerous sport where even if everything goes right a guy could suffer life changing damage or death.

great post....

[soul_survivor]

they OWE you their lives?????

fighters don't owe you ****!!! ..............

People seem to be skewing towards two extremes in this thread, "Yes, fighters owe us everything" and "No, **** off silly fans". Both sides are wrong and the question being asked by the TS is loaded, pushing for these irrational and quite frankly, ****** remarks. I know this is motivated by the recent Matthysse fight, which in itself was not life or death. In the fighter's own words, he was not hurt and could have continued but felt that his eye was going to give out and feared long term injury in that regard. I fully expect guys to carry on and not quit in such a situation.

Having said that, in far more brutal bouts, say Benn v McClellan or Ali v Frazier 1 and 3 or any of the Barrera and Morales bouts, to name a few, I would not complain if a fighter was either pulled out (as Frazier was) or decided not to come back for the next round. These fights were brutal affairs between guys with serious punching power (let's not forget Morale's pop or how bad the G Man was). I would never condone a senseless act in such affairs or be regarded as a fan thirsty for more blood. No sport should include death. Ever.

But, going back to Matthysse, as the TS said, it inspired this whole discussion, he was someone who could have continued, yes he was losing the fight but Postol is a monstrous puncher, not had Matthysse taken huge amounts of punishment. He was hurt by shap, accurate counter punches and down on the cards. Postol didn't break Matthysse physically, he broke him mentally. Matthysse owed me and more importantly, the PAYING fans, a true fight. Not a poor excuse for a finale.

But no fighter, none-what-so-ever, owe us their lives. Then again, that is rarely in the hands of the fighters themselves, in most cases, it is the referee or the chief second who must command a fighter to stop fighting. It's why their jobs are so important and so scrutinised.

[Yodpayak]

I think they owe their lives to their trainers. Many boxers are taken off the street from a life of poverty and given riches because of their trainer.

[firstborn]

People seem to be skewing towards two extremes in this thread, "Yes, fighters owe us everything" and "No, **** off silly fans". Both sides are wrong and the question being asked by the TS is loaded, pushing for these irrational and quite frankly, ****** remarks. I know this is motivated by the recent Matthysse fight, which in itself was not life or death. In the fighter's own words, he was not hurt and could have continued but felt that his eye was going to give out and feared long term injury in that regard. I fully expect guys to carry on and not quit in such a situation.

Having said that, in far more brutal bouts, say Benn v McClellan or Ali v Frazier 1 and 3 or any of the Barrera and Morales bouts, to name a few, I would not complain if a fighter was either pulled out (as Frazier was) or decided not to come back for the next round. These fights were brutal affairs between guys with serious punching power (let's not forget Morale's pop or how bad the G Man was). I would never condone a senseless act in such affairs or be regarded as a fan thirsty for more blood. No sport should include death. Ever.

But, going back to Matthysse, as the TS said, it inspired this whole discussion, he was someone who could have continued, yes he was losing the fight but Postol is a monstrous puncher, not had Matthysse taken huge amounts of punishment. He was hurt by shap, accurate counter punches and down on the cards. Postol didn't break Matthysse physically, he broke him mentally. Matthysse owed me and more importantly, the PAYING fans, a true fight. Not a poor excuse for a finale.

But no fighter, none-what-so-ever, owe us their lives. Then again, that is rarely in the hands of the fighters themselves, in most cases, it is the referee or the chief second who must command a fighter to stop fighting. It's why their jobs are so important and so scrutinised.

From your statement I take it that you don't believe Matthysse was actually hurt. Can I ask why? It's obvious his eye was injured, what about his behavior or performance gave you the impression that he didn't really think he was injured?

For the record, I don't think fighters owe us their health, just an honest effort.