Division depth according to boxrec

[Barcham]

Nice exercise, not sure I agree with these stats though.

HW has some interesting up and coming, but apart from Wlad they are all pretty untested. I do not think it's amongst the "deepest" divisions.

MW , I assume, is so high because of Cotto and Canelo, both coming from lower weights.Neither of them has done much at MW.

While i find SuperBantam quite low. Rigo , Quigg and Frampton make it a pretty decent weightclass, i find.

I do not believe that boxrec ranks Canelo as a MW at this point in time. I believe he is still considered to be a Jr.MW.

[nivek535]

It took me 3 hours or so to copy-paste pages. But now I have it as MS Access. Of course only top 100 in each division. But I can run whatever SQL I like on these data ))

damn mick, is there a way for us to contact boxrec to request access to database?

[mick1303]

damn mick, is there a way for us to contact boxrec to request access to database?

I am also a lifelong junkee of tennis stats. In the past I tried to contact ITF, ATP and WTA. They never respond. So I reckon that Boxrec will be the same and didn't try. It is quite possible that these databases have commercial values, so why would they share it. Be thankful that they post it on the web in the more or less convertible format. Could be worse...

[mick1303]

There is something I din't pay attention to until I started to look closely to the result's page. W,L,D and NC in the result column are clear and self-explanatory. But what "P" and "S" mean? I thought that it has something to do with the result not yet approved by commission... But what are these letters stand for?

[nivek535]

I am also a lifelong junkee of tennis stats. In the past I tried to contact ITF, ATP and WTA. They never respond. So I reckon that Boxrec will be the same and didn't try. It is quite possible that these databases have commercial values, so why would they share it. Be thankful that they post it on the web in the more or less convertible format. Could be worse...

oh true that hmm...

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I knew heavyweight would be at or near the top.

The stars aligned and boxing hipsters & USA-chanters both had the same thing to complain about, but in reality it's very deep and has been for some time.

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Average against what, exactly?

BoxRec rates near 1800 fighters at 147, yet rates under 300 fighters at minimum weight. Every weight class bantamweight on down has fewer than 800 fighters rated by BoxRec.

Beyond that, there are also "zombie fighters" rated (Michael Grant, Kevin Johnson, and Jonathan Banks are all in the heavyweight top 100, for example).

Honestly not sure what you're seeking to measure.

It's not really boxrec's fault that very few adult males are minimumweights.

Perhaps in some "speed and reflexes per pound per 1,000 population" scale minimumweights beat everyone else but in reality a minimumweight's biggest combat advantage is being small enough to even compete within such a thin roster.

[hardvibes]

Cool idea. I wonder how the welterweight average will look once Manny retires.

[glenn mcrory]

We doing this stiff, slower upper division fighters beat faster, mobile lower division fighters again?
Boxrec gives more worth or points to higher weight class fighters thus inflating their ranking.
According to boxrec, a win over Viloria is worth less than a win over Robert Guerrero, and thats just bull****. Thats why if you check their national P4P lists, you'll see someone like Estrada next to someone like Soto-Karass and Humberto Soto.

lol Flyweight is the very last one.
Lighteweight, Middleweight and Junior Middleweight, three dead wasteland divisions are near the top. The highest lower division weight class is Featherweight which is still very low. And thats ignoring the fact Flyweight is like a million times better.

lol Don't people usually just make fun of boxrec rankings since you know, they are computerized. But I guess when there is an agenda...

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We doing this stiff, slower upper division fighters beat faster, mobile lower division fighters again?
Boxrec gives more worth or points to higher weight class fighters thus inflating their ranking.
According to boxrec, a win over Viloria is worth less than a win over Robert Guerrero, and thats just bull****. Thats why if you check their national P4P lists, you'll see someone like Estrada next to someone like Soto-Karass and Humberto Soto.

lol Flyweight is the very last one.
Lighteweight, Middleweight and Junior Middleweight, three dead wasteland divisions are near the top. The highest lower division weight class is Featherweight which is still very low. And thats ignoring the fact Flyweight is like a million times better.

lol Don't people usually just make fun of boxrec rankings since you know, they are computerized. But I guess when there is an agenda...

People make fun of individual fighter rankings since sometimes their algorithm results in a fighter slipping through the statistical net and being placed way too high or way too low.

You aren't going to find a better tool for rating entire divisions.