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  • Tony Trick-Pony
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    #21
    If this is in reference to Matthysse, he said he felt a pop in his eye. He could get up and risk losing his eye I suppose. Vitali could have fought on against Byrd and lost the rest of his career. Hopkins could have gotten up and risked his ankle against Dawson. Duran could have went on against Pat Lawlor although his shoulder was in bad shape. I'm mean, when your livelihood and overall health are at risk, it takes a man to keep on just to win one fight. Right?

    Frazier would never quit. He was forced to. He also did not have a lengthy career. Mayweather never quit, but he never was in a situation where he had to, as many other fighters have been.

    Pure boxers who use lots of movement are never going to get the respect of those who tend to exchange and fight. It just is not going to happen. The first time they leap across the ring to create distance, the respect meter goes down. It is the way it is and always has been.

    On the color side, Frazier never leaped away from opponents. Neither did Louis or Johnson or Armstrong or Tyson or Foreman or Lyle or too many others to name.

    Styles make fights and a boring style will never sell like an exciting style. In order to be a warrior, you have to be in a war. Matthysse did fight in a way in his last fight against Provodnikov- another warrior who has been in plenty of them. I never saw Mayweather in a war. He's too tactical. It's skillful but not exciting. Broner was in a war with Maidana, but Maidana made it into a war in the first round by showing him no respect and roughing him up. Maidana is another warrior who was in wars with Ortiz and Morales and Khan. Mayweather is a fine boxer, but he will not be considered a warrior. He never was in a war. If it was war, he would be a sniper- not a soldier on the battlefield. A sniper is not a coward, mind you. He just is not taking the same risks since he is farther away. The ring is always dangerous.

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    • Tony Trick-Pony
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      #22
      A warrior also goes for the knockout and seeks an exciting ending even when he has the fight won. He is not content to just get by. Mayweather has proven he was fine with doing enough and getting the nod. This is fine for him, but the fans do not respect that, especially when they pay a hundred dollars to see him fight.

      And sometimes, a man is beat. If Tayler had quit earlier against Chavez, he would have had a longer career and better health. Being a warrior is about engaging- not for the money- but because it is your nature. Matthysse felt a pop in his eye. Not good. I have seen him take many hard punches and keep coming. I'm not going to be a fair weather fan and say he is useless now. He will be back if he can still see.

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      • BrometheusBob.
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        #23
        Originally posted by LarryXXX
        Ya'll can laugh and joke all you want but it is the honest truth........Certain fighters can beat everyone and break all kind of records and be called cowards,while some cant even win a damn title(which ya'll say "oh its so many titles out there) and quit like b1tch..but its cool because they proved they are a warrior...wtf??
        Who says it is "cool"? Lots of Matthysse fans in this forum, including myself, have expressed their disappointment in several threads and I am sure you have seen those comments.

        What does not winning a title have to do with being a coward? Not to mention that the win over Peterson was criminally not for a title.

        And what does breaking PPV records have to do with being a warrior or being cool?

        I don't understand your thought process.

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        • FrankieClutch
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          #24
          Hmmm, I wonder who this thread is about

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          • jri9d0
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            #25
            Originally posted by FrankieClutch
            Hmmm, I wonder who this thread is about
            Didn't you get the memo?

            He's talking about Rocky Juarez.

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            • STAX ON DECK
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              #26
              yup,pure truth

              i made a thread last night that was conveniently deleted (wonder why) about why ggg/kovalve/mattyhses fans think that their critics are bashing them based upon their "color" when it has nothing to do with it.

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              • bklynboy
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                #27
                Originally posted by Hype job
                It's tha pigment y'all.
                Explain how I'm a GGG fan but don't like Wladimir Klitschko. Or that I liked Evander Holyfield but didn't like Lennox Lewis?

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                • Dean_Razorback
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                  #28
                  we know, you are still embarrassed by that thread (i won't mention which one, there are so many embarrassing threads from you in this site), we promise we won't bump it up anymore

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                  • FrankieClutch
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by jri9d0
                    Didn't you get the memo?

                    He's talking about Rocky Juarez.
                    I f.cking knew it!

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                    • Aztekkas
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by LarryXXX
                      Lose EVERYTIME hey get a title shot,QUIT in fights,FIGHT NOBODIES,NOT MOVE UP IN WEIGHT and still be called warriors,While other fighters ACTUALLY BEAT WORLD CHAMPION, MOVE UP DIVISIONS, DONT quit in fights and get called cherry pickers,cowards and or hype jobs?
                      Since when is losing a title fight or not moving up in weight a boxing sin? Also, moving up in weight and acquiring straps doesn't necessarily make you a great, take Broner for example. Fought relatively weak competition and lost when he stepped up, but managed to rack up belts due to matchmaking.

                      Also, the love/hate towards fighters has a lot to do with the individual preferences of the fans. Neither you nor me can change their perception of certain fighters, regardless of how many redundant and pointless threads you make.

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