If rules against excessive clinching/holding were actually enforced. . .

[ReIoaded]

When a fighter is close enough 9 out of 10 times Floyd will hold them
They get separated then he runs
Is it that hard to understand?

That is not holding, nor is it running. That is the Sweet Science in full effect! That is the ultimate form of supremely devastating pugiilistication

[_original_]

When a fighter is close enough 9 out of 10 times Floyd will hold them
They get separated then he runs
Is it that hard to understand?

hmm interesting.

So he's either running for his life or clinching on for deal life. I guess compubox just makes up statistics about Floyd always outlanding his opponents by a wide margin in the total punches connected percentage. Also, it must just be a myth that Floyd has one of the best defenses in boxing's history, the shoulder roll is a lie and Floyd only runs and clinches. Got it!

[ReIoaded]

hmm interesting.

So he's either running for his life or clinching on for deal life. I guess compubox just makes up statistics about Floyd always outlanding his opponents by a wide margin in the total punches connected percentage. Also, it must just be a myth that Floyd has one of the best defenses in boxing's history, the shoulder roll is a lie and Floyd only runs and clinches. Got it!

Yeah man. The shoulder roll is what he does when he can't reach out and hug his opponents. You teach these haters about the sweet science! Go girl!

[jqSide]

Holding should only be allowed when a guy is in serious trouble and looking to survive.. It shouldn't be allowed as a tactic

That's what I was about to say. The audience can tolerate holding when the fighter is about to get dropped or wobbly. Reason being they don't want to see action get ended abruptly.

[ReIoaded]

They should change the rules of the NBA to legalize foul tactics such as holding.

This would make NBA games more exciting and scientific because players would be limited in their opportunities to score.

Basketball would then evolve into a more exciting game of low scores, but far more interesting statistics.

[Publius]

hmm interesting.

So he's either running for his life or clinching on for deal life. I guess compubox just makes up statistics about Floyd always outlanding his opponents by a wide margin in the total punches connected percentage. Also, it must just be a myth that Floyd has one of the best defenses in boxing's history, the shoulder roll is a lie and Floyd only runs and clinches. Got it!

Try to show some nuance (if you are even capable of that when it comes to your favourite fighter). Floyd employs a variety of tactics to win a fight, one of which is clinching/holding. The question of this thread is whether or not removing that tactic would have a significant effect on his success.

And I think it would.

[_original_]

Try to show some nuance (if you are even capable of that when it comes to your favourite fighter). Floyd employs a variety of tactics to win a fight, one of which is clinching/holding. The question of this thread is whether or not removing that tactic would have a significant effect on his success.

And I think it would.

Answer this; Floyd has been a "clincher" his entire career?



Furthermore, this thread is about excessive clinching, which is not a fair portrayal of Mayweather's style, even this older version. Even when he's used it strategically, he's nowhere near the level of a Ward, Hopkins, or Wlad.

[Publius]

Answer this; Floyd has been a "clincher" his entire career?



Furthermore, this thread is about excessive clinching, which is not a fair portrayal of Mayweather's style, even this older version.

His fighting style has developed over the years, obviously. And I'd say for the worse.

Watching the Berto fight made it clear that he needs to rely on clinching/hugging even against terribly over-matched opponents.

I know you can't accurately judge his fights, as a fan. But I suggest you rewatch the Berto fight and notice when he clinches and how he uses it.

[RetroSpeed05]

Floyd now in days would be in trouble once a fighter finally cut off the ring or gets to close to him then clinches. It would be very different fight especially with the Chino fight with out holding.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

In Mexico they hate clinching and holding and won't put up with much of it. They do enforce the rule there but they really don't have to because few Mexican fighters clinch or hold much. They know the fans don't like it. The great Mexican fighters are punchers, not wrestlers. You won't see Rios, Santa Cruz or the Marquez brothers doing much holding. They are too busy throwing punches.

Very good point. I imagine in several other countries it is not tolerated like it is here and obviously in Europe. For the fans' sake, this crap needs to stop. It makes for boring fights which turns fans off. Sorry, but the "boxing purists" don't provide enough support to keep the sport going. We need casual fans to thrive.