Comments Thread For: Thomas Hauser Respnds Back To USADA's Statements

[jwalkr]

It's amazing how dishonest people can be. Everybody knows what's going on here.

[HeroBando]

Out of what exactly?

That Usada violated their rules to grant the guy that hired them that Tue for a masking agent.

[Lester Tutor]

That Usada violated their rules to grant the guy that hired them that Tue for a masking agent.

Violated which rules? WADA? The news is public with every bit of contextual information needed for news agencies to report. You'd think professional reporters that know how to read rules can further Hauser's claim?

Apparently news agencies are cowards because they only state ''according to a report or sources say.'' lol

Hauser didn't win the gamble of malicious press. Get over it.

[ADP02]

For fck sake how many times do I need to repeat this , if Floyds mineral balance was out of balance for any reason after the weigh-in he could be beginning a phase of worsening dehydration , at this level Im sure he would have some form of a medical doctor monitoring for stuff like this .

Again prehydration before an impending physical performance is and has been a common thing in the past concerning athletes .

Sometimes ours bodys do not assimilate fluids fast enough by drinking and if you are against the clock its safer to kick start that fluid imbalance with a drip , Ive seen it many times in Greyhounds merely traveling to the races on a warm day , you dont want them to race with a belly full of water and the system is drying out , the only way around it is IV drip .

You state you know about this stuff but I know you dont by the very comments you make , you ignore points made because you dont understand what is said .

Again we dont have enough information to know exactly what happened and why , all we know is the same people that brought Armstrong down cleared Floyd , the highest authority in boxing cleared Floyd , so its obvious they have been given more information than we have , Im not interested in the little kid notion he paid everybody off , if he did so did Manny and Cotto and all the other millionaire fighters .

Sorry to burst your bubble but humans and greyhounds are not the same.

Again, you did not come up with a valid explanation on how this can occur or occurred to Floyd. You are just stating what can happen when someone is very dehydrated. Again, I presented to you all the points that Floyd brought up. Again, my points are due to points presented by Floyd and Floyd's does not make any sense for various reasons.

So again, which point below are you in disagreement with because this is what occurred prior to Floyd's IV?
- Floyd can make weight EASILY. FACT
- Floyd was tapering off his workouts BEFORE the weigh in. Nothing extraneous. Important: No conflicts with straining due to having to make weight. FACT
- Floyd did not give blood for 10 days. FACT
- Urine can't drain you. FACT
- Nobody mentioned that Floyd looked quite dehydrated or drained during the weighins. Floyd fans especially thought he looked like he was in great shape. RELOADED thought Floyd would beat the living hell out of Manny due to Floyd's size!!! FACT



Again, as I said above, nobody mentioned this until they needed to protect their hero Floyd. Actually the opposite was being said!!!






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[Lester Tutor]

This was published by Iole back in may and isn't even disputed. Floyd took that IV post weighing, applied for a TUE well post fight, and was granted contrary to Usadas protocol. No way out of this

I was the one who reminded everybody and on video sites what Kevin Iole stated in late May. Kevin Iole - in the same report you're referring to - stated that Floyd took the EPO urine test before and after the IV administration. That's Kevin Iole's own words. How does anybody apply for a TUE - or rather, to make it in layman's terms - how does one apply for dehydration via The****utic procedure BEFORE knowing they're going to feel dehydrated?! lol

Ohhhhh it hurts...I know. Give it up bro. Trust me.

[HeroBando]

Violated which rules? WADA? The news is public with every bit of contextual information needed for news agencies to report. You'd think professional reporters that know how to read rules can further Hauser's claim?

Apparently news agencies are cowards because they only state ''according to a report or sources say.'' lol

Hauser didn't win the gamble of malicious press. Get over it.

The rule states, no retroactive Tue unless a medical emergency or clinical time constraint. Clearly neither happened here, clear violation of their own rules.

I don't think there's much digging necessary. In the eyes of the mainstream Floyd is a Ped user, they moved on

[HeroBando]

I was the one who reminded everybody and on video sites what Kevin Iole stated in late May. Kevin Iole - in the same report you're referring to - stated that Floyd took the EPO urine test before and after the IV administration. That's Kevin Iole's own words. How does anybody apply for a TUE - or rather, to make it in layman's terms - how does one apply for dehydration via The****utic procedure BEFORE knowing they're going to feel dehydrated?! lol

Ohhhhh it hurts...I know. Give it up bro. Trust me.

The Usada rules address exactly this. IV is not a valid method of rehydration for recovery purpose. But if severe and you end up in the hospital, they may grant it. No foresight necessary.

Why should I trust you? You're hell bent on defending obvious cheating

[Lester Tutor]

The rule states, no retroactive Tue unless a medical emergency or clinical time constraint. Clearly neither happened here, clear violation of their own rules.

I don't think there's much digging necessary. In the eyes of the mainstream Floyd is a Ped user, they moved on

WADA:

If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected [B]without[B/] a concurrent hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is infused or injected.

[Lester Tutor]

The Usada rules address exactly this. IV is not a valid method of rehydration for recovery purpose. But if severe and you end up in the hospital, they may grant it. No foresight necessary.

Why should I trust you? You're hell bent on defending obvious cheating

Stop stating ''USADA rules,'' there are no USADA rules. They adhere by WADA's code. It has been addressed by Tygart more than a 1000 times. It's on USADA's own website. Their mission statement wasn't created in a matter of days...

[GTTofAK]

Violated which rules? WADA?

USADA granted a retroactive TUE for a procedure given during an non-emergency situation in violation of WADA protocol for retroactive TUE's. Furthermore WADA bans the issuance of all TUE's for the use of IVs to treat mild to moderate dehydration . So not only did they violate the protocol for issuing retroactive TUE's they were not allowed to issue the TUE at all retroactive or prior.

WADA's criteria for retroactive TUE's

In situations of medical emergency or clinical time constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).

WADAs ban on the granting of TUE's for IV treatment of mild to moderate dehydration.

The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body o scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion.
(Ref: 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)

Further WADA analysis of the medical literature supporting why they ban TUE's for IV treatment of mild to moderate dehydration from the above references.

Currently, there are no published studies describing IV fluid use during the course of an event, at intermission, or after the event as an ergogenic aid.

According to World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, the routine practice of administering IV fluids (>50 mL per 6 hours) to healthy individuals is prohibited. The code states the following in section M2, numeral 2: "Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations." There are numerous sports and governing bodies that are not subject to the World Anti-Doping Agency's jurisdiction, including the National Collegiate Athletic Association and most professional leagues in the United States. The association does not have IV utilization guidelines, nor does it include IV fluids among the current banned substances for sports other than wrestling.73 For National Collegiate Athletic Association wrestling, "artificial means of rehydration (that is, intravenous hydration) are also prohibited to allow participation and use of such is a violation of weight-management rules".

Time allowing, euhydration can be achieved in the vast majority of individuals by drinking and eating normal beverages and meals.29 If rapid recovery from dehydration is desired, one should ingest 1.5 L of fluid for each kilogram of body weight lost. Replacing 150% of body weight loss over 60 minutes has been tolerated without complications.68 Even though the majority of cases of dehydration can be treated via oral consumption, IV treatment of severe dehydration (>7% body weight loss), exertional heat illness, nausea, emesis, or diarrhea, and in those who cannot ingest oral fluids for other reasons, is clinically indicated.2,3,7,23,68 Otherwise, as the American College of Sports Medicine consensus guidelines state, "IV fluids do not provide an advantage over drinking oral fluids and electrolytes."

The tonicity of IV fluid rehydration has been investigated in 8 men in a dehydration protocol (185 minutes with a 4% body weight loss).39 Rehydration was achieved with 0.9% IV normal saline, 0.45% IV normal saline, or 0.45% oral normal saline over the first 45 minutes of a 100-minute rest period with a goal of reducing the deficit to 2%. The subjects then stood for 20 minutes at 36°C, followed by walking at 50% VO2 max for 90 minutes. Neither the tonicity nor mode of hydration resulted in improved speed of rehydration


The hydration routes in acclimated and nonacclimated highly trained cyclists were studied by dehydrating to 4% body weight loss.9 Rehydration occurred to 2% body weight loss with 0.45% oral or IV fluid. A control group received no fluids. Subjects then cycled at 70% VO2 peak to exhaustion in 37°C. No difference was found in exercise time to exhaustion. Plasma volume was better restored during rehydration with IV fluids at preexercise and 5 minutes of exercise. At 15 minutes, there was no difference between IV and oral rehydration

The effect of IV hydration on recovery following marathon running has been studied.54 IV fluids were administered immediately postmarathon to assess time to recovery in 66 participants. The experimental group received 2.5 L of 2.5% glucose/0.45% sodium chloride solution, whereas the placebo group received 100 mL of 0.9% sodium chloride solution. No significant differences between the groups were found for time to recovery, number of days with pain, number of days with stiffness, sleep disturbance, fatigue, rectal temperature, and loss of appetite.

Convincing research to support IV fluid administration prior to competition for performance enhancement, dehydration prevention, or muscle cramp prevention does not exist. Current studies do not support the use of IV fluids for rehydration when an athlete can tolerate oral fluids.

You need anything else you ****ing moron.