Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Rath]

No the myths might have vladity, but that doesn't mean there is bias in scoring. Comissions tend to give the best judges the big fights. These are judges, regardless of who they favor, consistently have scorecards that we all agree with.

you can score a fight properly and have different cards because each judge is at a different angle. you can also have the exact same cards.

There isn't much question about the accuracy or validity of the scorecards for floyd/manny among the writers/media/juornalists/pros that were at the fight and scored it. there are a lot of upset Manny fans that have scorecards (after rewatching) that differ from the judges and those that scored at ringside.

I think its easy to spot where the bias is.

never mentioned Floyd or Pac since we start this conversation.

all i am after at is how to really score a boxing match.

but since you brought it up, you say big fights are given to the best judges.

were dave moretti, Burt Clements, and Geln Feldman always the judges on all of Vegas Big fights?


SHAME ON YOU

[The Big Dunn]

never mentioned Floyd or Pac since we start this conversation.

all i am after at is how to really score a boxing match.

but since you brought it up, you say big fights are given to the best judges.

were dave moretti, Burt Clements, and Geln Feldman always the judges on all of Vegas Big fights?


SHAME ON YOU

You didn't mention them but you didn't have to. Your inquiries about fight scoring are directly related to your unhappiness with the outcome of the fight.

I don't know but the 3 of them do get a lot of work. They are respected. Now, have they had cards I didn't agree with, of course,but their overall body of work is top quality.

[Rath]

You didn't mention them but you didn't have to. Your inquiries about fight scoring are directly related to your unhappiness with the outcome of the fight.

I don't know but the 3 of them do get a lot of work. They are respected. Now, have they had cards I didn't agree with, of course,but their overall body of work is top quality.

that's just an assumption.

you said the big fights are given to the best judges.

Floyd vs Pac was a big fight that deserves best judges in vegas.

Dave morett,i Glen Fledman, and Burt Clements were the judges in Floyd vs Pac therefore they were the best judges in vegas, meaning this three should always be the judges for all big fights in vegas right?

if not, then they are giving other big fights a lesser type of judges don't you think?


SHAME ON YOU

[The Big Dunn]

that's just an assumption.

you said the big fights are given to the best judges.

Floyd vs Pac was a big fight that deserves best judges in vegas.

Dave morett,i Glen Fledman, and Burt Clements were the judges in Floyd vs Pac therefore they were the best judges in vegas, meaning this three should always be the judges for all big fights in vegas right?

if not, then they are giving other big fights a lesser type of judges don't you think?


SHAME ON YOU

No it isn't. You are upset that Floyd beat Manny. thats a fact.

No, they are not going to do every major fight, but they are likely to get more major fights than others. Same with refs-the best get more of the choice assignments but not all or every choice assignment.

Other fights get different judge, yes.

Again, you are trying to create a plausible scenario where the judges got the scoring wrong on the floyd/Manny fight because you are upset Floyd won. You are seeking an excuse for the loss, not actually trying to get answers to anything.

So your opinion on the IV, judges and anything else is problematic in that had Manny won, you would be fine with the outcome and not making threads/posts that you have.

[ADP02]

genius floyd fans would just say you don't know how to score.

did you count how many jabs were there?

did you know that 4 jabs is equal to a power punch?

did you also know that back pedalling is called ring generalship?

did you also know that if you spent the whole 3 minutes of a round punching away at a slick black murican fighter of the inner city laying on the rope blocking all those shots the black murican wins that round because you don't have effective aggression ?

you just don't know how to score a boxing match.

Actually it depends who you are.

If his name is Lara then he stands no chance.
If his name is Peterson then he stands no chance.

If his name is Floyd then its different.
His flashy "touch jabs" are a thing of beauty to Nevada judges like Dave Moretti. Even punchstats think so. Even though slow mo replays showing that Floyd didn't even connect? Oh slow mo is over rated.

[ADP02]

For years, many of the very worst Manny fans argued he was a bigger draw than Floyd, sold more tickets and made more revenue.

Now some of those same posters admit Floyd is the bigger draw and earns more revenue because it goes along with their conspiracy theory Vegas is protecting Floyd.

For one, Manny didn't fight all his fights in Nevada. Floyd did. Big difference.
How does MGM treat Manny compared to Floyd? Big difference.

Manny lost to Bradley (very controversial) even though he should have won. Its all good.
Floyd wins but one judge had it 114-114. What happened to that judge? That judge is nowhere to be seen now.


Floyd cries about a ref (Weeks), he no longer refs a Floyd fight.
Fans cry about Kenny STOP STOP Bayless playing favoritism to FLoyd? Nothing happens except Bayless continues to be Floyd's go to ref for the remainder of his career.

Floyd has a go to judge named Dave Moretti. Not bad, right? All they need is one more judge and the scare tactics that you will get fired if you go against Floyd.

Manny in reality is a bigger draw due to his fighting capabilities. Its Manny that people want to see.

Floyd in reality is a bigger draw because of who he is fighting. Either because the opponent is a big draw and/or they think that they have a chance to see Floyd lose. If that is what you mean, cool.

For most, it has little to do with seeing an athlete do just enough to win a fight. Floyd's own words "Its not how you win .... as long as you win". Nobody wants to see that Floyd except you and your fans.

[Rath]

No it isn't. You are upset that Floyd beat Manny. thats a fact.

No, they are not going to do every major fight, but they are likely to get more major fights than others. Same with refs-the best get more of the choice assignments but not all or every choice assignment.

Other fights get different judge, yes.

Again, you are trying to create a plausible scenario where the judges got the scoring wrong on the floyd/Manny fight because you are upset Floyd won. You are seeking an excuse for the loss, not actually trying to get answers to anything.

So your opinion on the IV, judges and anything else is problematic in that had Manny won, you would be fine with the outcome and not making threads/posts that you have.

Told you it was just your assumption.

check my posts on Floyd vs Pac thread and you will find there many times i posted Floyd wins against Pac and those posts were months away from the fight.

so let say there were 10 big fights in vegas, and you said this three best judges more than likely scored majority of those fights let say 6 out of 10.

does that mean those 4 other fights did not get the best judges?

That means your statement is wrong that big fights are given to the best judges.


SHAME ON YOU

[Lester Tutor]

you're talking about random drug tests, which are not really comprehensively random. all boxers, pac included, go thru commission required blood testing for every fight.

past tense, present tense? 2010... May vs Pac..

and for argument sake. Top Rank's original reasoning was literally because Pac was afraid of needles or because he felt it weakened him. Don't quite make out what your point is or if it's relevant

[Twako]

past tense, present tense? 2010... May vs Pac..

and for argument sake. Top Rank's original reasoning was literally because Pac was afraid of needles or because he felt it weakened him. Don't quite make out what your point is or if it's relevant

you wondered why pac never wanted to give blood earlier in his career.
which is FALSE.

[The Big Dunn]

Told you it was just your assumption.

check my posts on Floyd vs Pac thread and you will find there many times i posted Floyd wins against Pac and those posts were months away from the fight.

so let say there were 10 big fights in vegas, and you said this three best judges more than likely scored majority of those fights let say 6 out of 10.

does that mean those 4 other fights did not get the best judges?

That means your statement is wrong that big fights are given to the best judges.


SHAME ON YOU

no matter what you posted about who would win, you are upset Manny lost. that you can't admit that is part of the problem.

I can't understand what you wrote.

All big fights are not equal. The best judge predominantly get chosen by the commission for the biggest fights. If you disagree, fine.

The main point is there was no issue with the scoring for the floyd/manny. There are some diehard manny fans and ardent floyd haters that are saying there is because they are upset Floyd beat Manny.