Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Mayabang]

Calls Pac a steroid cheat but settles out of court when they subpoena his medical records. Calls Ariza a steroid peddler, then hires him and consults Heroidia about "improving his power". Lied about using Xylocane. Says he gets vampire facials and his description of the process is identical to the process described by Lance Armstrong when talking about how he used to defeat PED tests. Gets caught on film making drug testers wait hours before submitting to a urine sample which is identical to what other professional athletes have done when trying to avoid submitting samples when using EPO cremes to alter testosterone levels. Gets caught using an illegal IV in his house containing a volume of saline capable of acting as a masking agent to dilute PEDS, another tactic used by infamous Lance Armstrong to avoid PED detection.

I mean come on, wake up and smell the coffee or whatever.

You should be banned for making such valid points! Don't you know that you're not allowed to have common sense in here?

[GTTofAK]

USADA already refuted the Hauser account that they didn't inform NYSAC

Actually they didn't. They gave a vague time frame that could have been before or after the story about the positive A and B samples broke but definitely after the first story of Morales testing positive broke. The fact remains that they had been sitting on the results for weeks.

You will notice that they also are sketchy about what they reported. When they say that they reported to the NSAC they dont say if that was just the plosive A sample or the previous positive A and B samples. They only say that by late friday they had informed the NSAC about the previous positive samples.

You should have a better eye so you can see when some lawyer is giving you bull****.

You will also notice that they frame their time frame around when the articles were published online. Not once does USADA say when they became aware. If you think that USADA's first news of this was when the articles were published I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

[GTTofAK]

The fact that you can't even understand a concept like medical confidentiality is quite telling.

NSAC drug tests are available. The confidentiality with USADA is part of Floyd's contract.

[GTTofAK]

Let me breakdown for you how USADA tells some very clever lies.

The Halestorm Sports story referenced by Mr. Hauser can be accessed
at http://halestormsports.com/2012/10/18/erik ... and appears to have been posted on the evening of October 18, 2012. By then, both fighters, the promoter, and the New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC) had already all been advised

But when was USADA and the NYSAC aware of the Halestrom Sports article? You notice that they dont say. You are left to assume that the first they heard of it was when it was published. But they dont say that.

The article they reference says that USADA AND THE NYSAC had been contacted by Halestrom.

Halestormsports.com tried to reach the NYSAC and USADA for a statement; New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC), who is sanctioning the fight, has no comment. We’re still waiting on the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) for comment.

So USADA is creating a misleading time line. They are saying 'we told NYSAC about the positive A test before the Halestormsports article was published so we weren't hiding anything.' But they knew about the Halestormsports article before it was published.

by USADA of Mr. Morales' positive test.

Notice that they dont say which test and they only say test not tests. They dont say we informed them of all tests the two A and B and the A. They only say positive test. The reader is is left to assume that they told NYSAC everything but they dont say that. They say "positive test" this is consistent with Hausers story that at this time USADA had only told the NYSAC about the single positive A sample.

This information is incorrect. By the afternoon of Friday, October 19,
2012, USADA had reported out to the NYSAC the A and B sample
results for the October 3 sample and the preliminary A sample results
for the October 10 and October 16 samples.

So now is when they actually give us a statement about when they told the NYSAC about the positive A and B samples. By afternoon Friday, October 19th. Which could have been before or after the Keith Idec story broke on the scene about the previous positive A and B samples. Notice again that USADA doesn't say when they became aware of the Keith Idec story. If you think they weren't asked for comment before hand I have some oceanfront property to sell you.

What USADA wrote is what is known in law as a response. You have to respond to every allegation in a law suit or the allegation is taken by the court as true. When you are reading these kind of responses you have to pay close attention to what they are actually saying and more importantly what they are not saying.

[DeadLikeMe]

NSAC drug tests are available. The confidentiality with USADA is part of Floyd's contract.

Thank you for making my point for me

[GTTofAK]

Thank you for making my point for me

Yeah Floyd would rather hire USADA to do the collection and reporting so he can hide the results with confidentiality clauses. If I was using PEDs I do the same damn thing.

[DeadLikeMe]

Yeah Floyd would rather hire USADA to do the testing so he can hide them with confidentiality clauses. If I was using PEDs I do the same damn thing.

Medical confidentiality isn't some kind of trick from Floyd numbnuts.

[GTTofAK]

Medical confidentiality isn't some kind of trick from Floyd numbnuts.

It is when you normally have to sign away such confidentiality which is why we have is NSAC results.

That is why Floyd hired USADA so they could keep his tests secret. That is what USADA does. Just like the Morales case if you test positive they sit on the results and dont report it to the commission.

[mathed]

You should be banned for making such valid points! Don't you know that you're not allowed to have common sense in here?

I know, my hate is sickening. It's just funny to me some people want to turn a blind eye to the obvious. Alot of accusations get thrown around at times and I'm sure many top athletes feel the need to take illegal PEDs to remain competitive at the top level, especially as they age. If you look at Floyd's history, the guy sticks out like a sore thumb in terms of being a potential PED user. Hell, even his own dad said that early in his career he got hooked up with some dude, I forget his name, who was exposing Floyd to the world of PEDs. He said that the guy was trying to get lil Floyd to do stuff that he wasn't cool with and that he told Floyd that the guy was bad news.

Here is a guy that claims to train for 6-8 hours a day and seems to have endless energy, then you throw in all the red flags, well yeah, all the pieces fall into place....unless you aren't cool with the picture it paints.

[radioraheem]

Actually they didn't. They gave a vague time frame that could have been before or after the story about the positive A and B samples broke but definitely after the first story of Morales testing positive broke. The fact remains that they had been sitting on the results for weeks.

You will notice that they also are sketchy about what they reported. When they say that they reported to the NSAC they dont say if that was just the plosive A sample or the previous positive A and B samples. They only say that by late friday they had informed the NSAC about the previous positive samples.

You should have a better eye so you can see when some lawyer is giving you bull****.

You will also notice that they frame their time frame around when the articles were published online. Not once does USADA say when they became aware. If you think that USADA's first news of this was when the articles were published I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Again, this is false. USADA reported specific dates for both A and B samples before the fight took place. This is a fact.

USADA informed NYSAC Chairwoman Melvina Lathan of the A sample positive, by phone, on October 17, 2012, the day prior to the publication of the Halestorm Sports story. The timing of this conversation is supported by public comments made by Richard Schaefer on October 18, 2012

USADA was pretty specific in it's reported when things were reported.