Comments Thread For: Merchant: Mayweather Should Face Golovkin, He's Afraid

[Fists_of_Fury]

floyd was too scared to fight a prime manny why would he fight a prime golovkin?

You mean Manny was scared of a prime Floyd while taking USADA testing... would GGG duck the USADA testing doe?

[boxingfan4life]

Its funny how folks say Floyd sucks but yet he needs to jump 2 weight classes for a real challenge. Hmmmmmm. In my opinion its a lose lose situation for Floyd. Given that he fought Pac and its not GGG, anybody else would meet some type of criticism. Larry Merchant says there were other welterweights out there but I bet once Floyd fought and beat them he would say they were too inexperienced. Merchant is just another typical Floyd hater.

[PunchyPotorff]

It takes an unintelligent youngster to dismiss Merchant's knowledge. The guy saw Ali/Liston II LIVE. Did you hear that? He's been around for decades because he knows the sport. Any true boxing fan knows this already. Only the Floydiots would disagree.

[boxingfan4life]

floyd was too scared to fight a prime manny why would he fight a prime golovkin?

Correction my friend, Floyd was willing to fight a prime manny if he had agreed to drug testing five years ago. Don't get it twisted, Manny was the first to run from the fight. Floyd haters always try to omit this fact.

[theface07]

This fight is never going to happen anyways so it doesn't really matter if it would be fair but just to remind some people, at one time, middleweights used to challenge heavyweights so I don't think a natural middleweight wanting to fight a natural welterweight at junior middleweight is really that big of a deal. The real advantage is Golovkin's punching power which, when you're fighting Berto, is a serious risk Mayweather is not willing to take.

[Espy]

Larry is right in his analysis. (THIS IS YOUR THESIS, THE REST OF YOUR POST SHOULD PROVIDE FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR THESIS)He is also a bitter old man, a bit.

Floyd is making a business transaction here.

I don't like the state of boxing these days. Surely Merchant is thinking of Haggler-Hearns, Leonard-Haggler, Leonard-Hearns.

(Fair point however this is an opinion, Leonard/Hagler circumstances were very similar to Floyd/Pac circumstances which I pointed out earlier...Hagler/Hearns can be discredited a bit if one wanted to nitpick but I love both of these fighters so I will not engage in doing so). Still neither of these comments strengthen your thesis or ensuing points.

These guys use to fight the best guys around.

By what standard? P4p? Because you say so? Because historians say so?...how did you arrive at this conclusion? Rationale is a major necessity so as to allow one to compare Floyd's resume to this statement and to judge him fairly.

Even a guy like ODLH. Oscar fought the best guys he could fight.

I rate Oscar ahead of Floyd, in all honesty. Why? Because Oscar always tested himself, he always fought the best, and he usually won. Hell, he gave Floyd one of his best fights, in Floyd's prime, when Oscar was already well past his best days.

Subjective & Hypocritical. Oscar fought his fair share of fading fighters that he got credit for. Oscar had impressive wins. Oscar had poor performances. By your benchmark Oscar is not all that because he lost to lesser fighters than Floyd and was taken to the limit by an old Sweet Pea and Chavez in his prime. Hypocritical.

Floyd is incredibly rich because of how he has conducted his career. It is hard to denigrate that, really.

Every rich fighter is/was rich because of how they conduct their career. Marketing is an integral part of conducting your career. This statement does and says nothing for your thesis or coming conclusions.

Every serious boxing fan, who has watched his career, knows that his last true competitive challenge, competitive meaning matchups dictated by competition in front of one rather than business decisions, was Jose Luis Castillo.

Proof, references? Every serious boxing fan? That is a statement of opinion presented as fact, no evidence provided supports your claim thus far. How have you come to this conclusion? Where did you get the idea that JLC was his last TRUE competitive test? Manny/Mayweather was closer in the eyes of pundits and vegas. So was Canelo/Mayweather. I would also go out on a limb and say #3 p4p Mosley was viewed as a bigger test before the fight. (I could be wrong but if memory serves me correctly a lot of pundits gave Mosley a big chance to win)

He had an historic run at 130, then moved through the weight classes.

He hasn't fought the most intriguing fighters, since Castillo. He has fought the most profitable opponents.

A more accurate statement would have been he has fought fights that would maximize profits while still fighting people that the public was asking him to fight. Outside of Margarito,Casamayor and maybe Paul Williams I can't really think of anyone he didn't fight.

And then he goes and pulls stuff like with Maidana, with the gloves, which was completely out of line.

This is an opinion. Oscar (who you rate more highly than Floyd) did the same thing (albeit more tactfully) than Floyd by dictating that Floyd wear a specific brand/size and dictating ring size/weight in addition to this. The fact that you didn't address this shows bias against Floyd. Regardless this is once again an opinion.

This is why serious fight fans criticize Mayweather.

Your conclusion which is an opinion that is presented as absolute fact. This should read "this is why I criticize Mayweather"

This is also why he can never be considered a top fighter, all time. Top 10-15, sure. There's a case to be made there.

Once again opinions presented as fact. A conclusion made with no argument to support it. You essentially posted a thesis, didn't support it, and presented weak hypocritical comparisons (that were still OPINIONS). Your grade is an F homie. You're a moron.

The responses in red above should show you your logical fallacies and inability to form a coherent argument.

I called you a moron because your statements were matter of fact statements. If someone disagrees with you, your post insinuates that they are not a serious boxing fan. I disagree with your post. I am a serious boxing fan. Your argument holds no weight. You are a moron.


What's gucci bro?

[Drunken Cat]

@ the bold. You rate Fishnets higher for getting schooled by a cherry-picked old Sweat Pea, his face jabbed in by Quartey, running like a sissy from Tito, getting outfought by Mosley, knocking out Vargas (post Tito chin destruction), dissected against Sturm, quitting against B-hop, getting soundly out-boxed by Floyd and destroyed against the smaller (cherry-picked) Manny? Fact of the matter is, DLH "tested himself" when it was most financially viable to do so, or he had an advantage going into the fight.

You're entitled to your opinions, and I'm entitled to state that your particular opinions on this topic are delusional, idiotic, illogical, and just plain wrong, to the point that it's hard to imagine anything credible coming from the person who had them.

I am very well aware that stating that Oscar is higher than Floyd all time is an unpopular, minority opinion.

And yes, I hold that opinion.

If Floyd had fought the most dangerous fighters, when they were at their best, there is a pretty fair chance he would have got his face jabbed in a couple times too.

Floyd has been carefully matched, his whole post-Castillo career.

He had a terrific run at 130.

Oscar fought a better run of opposition, and he beat most of them. He took some losses, that's because he took risks.

Oscar won his first title at 130, just like Floyd, and fought up to middleweight, and challenged Hopkins, who is a better fighter than Floyd has ever faced.

Seriously keep it civil, man. You guys don't see me on here calling names.

I like all fighters.

I rate Oscar above Floyd. Why? I rate fighters on their resume, not on their perceived ability.

Floyd has a very good resume. Oscar has a better one, in my view.

And I don't care about losses. This is part of Mayweather's fraud.

If you take risks you are liable to take losses.

A loss is just a loss.

[Drunken Cat]

So I'm pretentious, childish and immature yet when you get shutdown you can no longer defend yourself with words.

It really hurt that I called you a moron didn't it. I called you a moron because that's what you are, but I'll break it down for you in the next post brotha man.

I already told you. Class is dismissed.

[Espy]

@ the bold. You rate Fishnets higher for getting schooled by a cherry-picked old Sweat Pea, his face jabbed in by Quartey, running like a sissy from Tito, getting outfought by Mosley, knocking out Vargas (post Tito chin destruction), dissected against Sturm, quitting against B-hop, getting soundly out-boxed by Floyd and destroyed against the smaller (cherry-picked) Manny? Fact of the matter is, DLH "tested himself" when it was most financially viable to do so, or he had an advantage going into the fight.

You're entitled to your opinions, and I'm entitled to state that your particular opinions on this topic are delusional, idiotic, illogical, and just plain wrong, to the point that it's hard to imagine anything credible coming from the person who had them.

In case you missed it @Virgil Caine...

[STAX ON DECK]

floyd aint never fighign that garbage collector ,get over it lames