Comments Thread For: Mayweather Regrets Not Having Haymon at The Beginning

[SugarRaRobinson]

Coupled with the matchmaking - he fought the fights necessary while under Arum that solidified his standing. Work ethic and dedication is fine and dandy so long as you are fighting the best. For the most part, under Arum he had a great run.

He was built by TR and their expert team of building fighters. They are the best in the business at building fighters. Sure he has burnt bridges with the big names like De La Hoya, May, Cotto and few others, but the impact TR had on their careers cannot be understated.

Wtf r u talking about ??? Arum even admitted he didn't know what to do with Mayweather . Mayweather came to him years ago asking Bob to market him to the younger hip hop generations, Arum admitted that he didn't know how because he only knew how to connect to the black generation of Ali's era . Arum just recently professed this

[aboutfkntime]

Haymon is the greatest thing to happen to boxing, changed the game for the better, his fighters love him, he signs stars and fighters with less than 5 fights, he gets them great opportunities which is something that every fighter wishes they could get, now he's putting boxing back on free tv and all the PBC cards have at least 1 great fight

Thanks for the info, hard to get a gauge on the situation not living in the US.

Funny, some are saying its great, others are saying it's the death of boxing.

As usual, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

What I am worried about, is the continual fragmentation, of an already far-too-fragmented sport.

The numerous ABC organisations are bad enough, as they are the root cause of most of the problems that exist within boxing today..... which is why it infuriates me to see casual fans squabbling over which organisation is best, etc..... it's just a turd polishing contest.

Why accept, condone, and therefore support that rubbish ?

Then along came coldwars between promotional organisations, and what do I see..... fkn asshat casual fans not only ACCEPTING that rubbish, but happily SUPPORTING it by picking sides.

Fkn wankers.

Now, we got further fragmentation happening with networks holding exclusive contracts which freeze out other top fighters.

Been happening for awhile, but in the past those hurdles were were not show-stoppers..... now they are..... and now we got asshat casual fans taking sides...... supporting further fragmentation within the sport.

Very frustrating for a long-term boxing fan.

[mathed]

Matchmaking and building fighters is now called "cherry-picking" and frowned upon around these parts. lol

The "building" part needs to stop when these guys have 20+ pro fights and are headlining cards. No one expects a part-time boxer to win or a construction worker to win against a guy that is supposed to have a future in boxing, yet we get to see these kinds of matchups more often than not.

[aboutfkntime]

His greed is boundless, his humility non existent and his reign thankfully diminishing.

I agree.

Hopefully Bob Arum will die soon.

Oh, wait.... who were you talking about ?

[aboutfkntime]

Haymon's the real deal . He has exposed how much money is hidden from fighters by greedy networks and promoters for all these years . Now everyones mad because he's opened up the real books to boxers disclosing how much money a prize fight is really worth . Danny Garcia was 19-0 before signing with Haymon and had never made over $12,500 in any given fight , he then signed with Haymon and started making a millions per fight !

I think that there is a pile of truth in that.

Arum is total scum.

The way he has ripped off Pacquiao is absolute proof.

Everybody cried about that 40mil offer, which was a low-ball, even if only a starting point...... and yet I believe that is about what Pac received for the Mayweather fight.

Arum made out like a bandit.

The " 25mil cheque on Saturday " slip-up by Arum pretty much confirms it.

If the purse was 200mil (which it was), and the split was 60/40 (which it was)..... then the number " 25mil " should never have been mentioned. Pacs split was 80mil, nothing less.

If Pac got 25mil + PPV..... and lets face it, PPV = whatever Arum decided to pay him..... then Pac likely made about 40mil in that fight.

That is why Pac only fights Top Rank opponents..... Arum gets 27% from Pac, 27% from his opponent, and all of the middle money..... and when not fighting a Top Rank opponent Arum gets 27% from Pac, thats it.

[SugarRaRobinson]

I agree.

Hopefully Bob Arum will die soon.

Oh, wait.... who were you talking about ?

Lmao , many like him was ok with fighters getting ripped off as long as it was a bob arum type , and we all know what I mean by "type"

[Lou Cipher]

Pacquiao won 115-113.

[creekrat77]

Haymon was the right guy for Floyd when he had already made a name for himself at Top Rank, and wanted to move on to become the next DLH. Arum didn't see Floyd as the next 'Golden Boy' just with the demographics not being there to want to pay to see him. Sure Floyd had excellent skills and pedigree but he wasn't the baddest man around his weight class. And for Floyd to become a Sugar Ray or Golden Boy, you had to prove how amazing you were. Nobody back then thought you could build a PPV star who was a naturally conservative and somewhat boring fighter compared to the guys like Morales and Mosley. But Floyd did make it work, and Arum has even said that he was wrong and Floyd has proved that there is a market for him. That market was spurred on by a very young brash black 'kid' who could not be beat. It garners attention and massive criticism. Unlike Arum and GB, Haymon banks off that kind of negative attention

[aboutfkntime]

Haymon was the right guy for Floyd when he had already made a name for himself at Top Rank, and wanted to move on to become the next DLH. Arum didn't see Floyd as the next 'Golden Boy' just with the demographics not being there to want to pay to see him.

Which is fkn hilarious to me

On what planet, would that not be described as a huge fcukup ?

That is at least, a massive ball-drop.

What is 27% of Shotimes 250mil deal ?

What is 27% of the 275mil that Mayweather banked from the Pac fight ?

Sure Floyd had excellent skills and pedigree but he wasn't the baddest man around his weight class.

What weight class are you referring to, 140 ?

And for Floyd to become a Sugar Ray or Golden Boy, you had to prove how amazing you were. Nobody back then thought you could build a PPV star who was a naturally conservative and somewhat boring fighter compared to the guys like Morales and Mosley. But Floyd did make it work, and Arum has even said that he was wrong and Floyd has proved that there is a market for him. That market was spurred on by a very young brash black 'kid' who could not be beat. It garners attention and massive criticism. Unlike Arum and GB, Haymon banks off that kind of negative attention

To be fair, the world changes, sometimes very quickly, market trends, etc.

It is the job of a promoter to stay on top of that.

Being unable to market an African American to an African American audience..... sounds like a ball-drop to me.

Look what Arum did/said about Rigo.

Look at the fcukup with Donaire, and the childish way Arum handled it.

For all of the accolades that Arum gets, he has come across as incompetant on a number of occasions, and he has come across as a dishonest greedy manipulator on many more occasions.

[Spoon23]

If Haymon wasn't around since the beginning. Floyd won't have had any legit fights to show for lol That would have been a 100% cherry picking legacy hahaha