Comments Thread For: Frank Warren on Mayweather Ranking Himself as TBE

[Divine Hammer]

Mayweather does make a really good case for himself. If he beats Berto he'll be tied with Joe Louis for consecutive title fight wins, have won more championships than any other fighter, be tied for most lineal championships won in his career, and far and away be the highest earning boxer of all time, all in less than 50 fights, and with 22 former titlists faced in his career. Add to the fact that he's 38 and considered the best fighter in the sport, which doesn't happen in any sport ever. If he's not be the greatest, he's top 10 easy.

Hate his personal life all you like, but his ring accomplishments are damn near unmatched.

ok if he's top ten p4p all time then name ONE prime future HOF'er that he legit beat? what u say sounds nice but u don't think. u just rely on numbers like a nerd. and his 4th lineal title is beating a 21 year old canelo who at that point only had one decent win (trout)???? hahahahhahahaha.

again if ur considered top ten p4p all time then surely u must have some incredible wins? but floyd has beaten mainly way past prime fighters and over hyped mediocre opposition.

[wlliam]

Floyds Top 5 all time list brought the whiny little b17ch outta everyone. With all the disgusting hate Floyd gets, cant help but admire his success. Floyd stiffed more than just Brook, Porter, Thurman with the Berto pick bcuz everybody's crying. I dont get why alotta ppl are stuck on Khanjob either, when he picks his next opponent itll just further his standing as a hypejob. Hint: it wont be somebody ranked in the top 10 at 147lbs, probably wont even be a WW

[Nightfall]

Shut your punk a$$ up Larry you really are a lil b!tch

not sure who the hell larry is but i bet both of you must be bi tches.

[wlliam]

ok if he's top ten p4p all time then name ONE prime future HOF'er that he legit beat? what u say sounds nice but u don't think. u just rely on numbers like a nerd. and his 4th lineal title is beating a 21 year old canelo who at that point only had one decent win (trout)???? hahahahhahahaha.

again if ur considered top ten p4p all time then surely u must have some incredible wins? but floyd has beaten mainly way past prime fighters and over hyped mediocre opposition.

Are we just counting prime years when making a case for the "Greatest"? Also, i think Floyds 4th lineal was the DelaHoya fight.

[doom_specialist]

ok if he's top ten p4p all time then name ONE prime future HOF'er that he legit beat? what u say sounds nice but u don't think. u just rely on numbers like a nerd. and his 4th lineal title is beating a 21 year old canelo who at that point only had one decent win (trout)???? hahahahhahahaha.

again if ur considered top ten p4p all time then surely u must have some incredible wins? but floyd has beaten mainly way past prime fighters and over hyped mediocre opposition.

Oh look, a guy that hates on Floyd nonstop that didn't like my comment. Go figure lol

I rely on numbers because numbers don't lie. People like you do though. If I bothered to waste my time coming up with a list of Floyd's best wins, you'd have an excuse for every one of them, then probably top it off with some form of "he's ducking GGG."

[wlliam]

ok if he's top ten p4p all time then name ONE prime future HOF'er that he legit beat? what u say sounds nice but u don't think. u just rely on numbers like a nerd. and his 4th lineal title is beating a 21 year old canelo who at that point only had one decent win (trout)???? hahahahhahahaha.

again if ur considered top ten p4p all time then surely u must have some incredible wins? but floyd has beaten mainly way past prime fighters and over hyped mediocre opposition.

I say Floyd was prime up until 09-10 and since the criteria of 99% of boxing afficionados for "The Greatest" consist of only the prime years, Floyd has a strong case. His bigs wins while hes no longer in his prime might strengthen his case. Never know.

[BrometheusBob.]

Mayweather does make a really good case for himself. If he beats Berto he'll be tied with Joe Louis for consecutive title fight wins, have won more championships than any other fighter, be tied for most lineal championships won in his career, and far and away be the highest earning boxer of all time, all in less than 50 fights, and with 22 former titlists faced in his career. Add to the fact that he's 38 and considered the best fighter in the sport, which doesn't happen in any sport ever. If he's not be the greatest, he's top 10 easy.

Hate his personal life all you like, but his ring accomplishments are damn near unmatched.

Well clearly he's an ATG, but I don't think the numbers are directly comparable since there are many more world titles nowadays. You got the WBA super & regular, WBO, WBC super & regular, IBF, IBO, The Ring (which has come to be somewhat disconnected from lineal) along with other world titles from other less recognized organizations(UBO,IBI etc). What it meant for Joe Louis is a lot different than what it means nowadays.

Comparing the quality of his victories to those of the greats, I can't see a way to put him in the top 10. Probably top 20ish for me.

I recall making this thread/poll:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683006

Where very few people, including Mayweather fans and haters alike, put him in the top 10.

[Johnwoo8686]

Well clearly he's an ATG, but I don't think the numbers are directly comparable since there are many more world titles nowadays. You got the WBA super & regular, WBO, WBC super & regular, IBF, IBO, The Ring (which has come to be somewhat disconnected from lineal) along with other world titles from other less recognized organizations(UBO,IBI etc). What it meant for Joe Louis is a lot different than what it means nowadays.

Of course there are more world titles today than there were in Joe Louis' time there are more people competing today than there were in the 1940s. You have fighters coming from all over the world so there needed to be more sanctioning bodies in order to rank them. Floyd is the best fighter in the world at a time where there are more people actively participating in the sport than there ever were before. Plus, Floyd has won the major titles that have been recognized historically in each weight class he's competed in.

You can't say Floyd is the greatest but you can't say without a doubt that he's not the greatest.

[doom_specialist]

Well clearly he's an ATG, but I don't think the numbers are directly comparable since there are many more world titles nowadays. You got the WBA super & regular, WBO, WBC super & regular, IBF, IBO, The Ring (which has come to be somewhat disconnected from lineal) along with other world titles from other less recognized organizations(UBO,IBI etc). What it meant for Joe Louis is a lot different than what it means nowadays.

Comparing the quality of his victories to those of the greats, I can't see a way to put him in the top 10. Probably top 20ish for me.

I recall making this thread:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=683006

Where very few people, including Mayweather fans and haters alike, put him in the top 10.

Fair assessment, but there are guys in the top 10 that are there for longevity more so than they are quality of wins. Henry Armstrong and Sam Langford don't have a laundry list of legends on their resumes (though in Langford's case he has a very good reason why he doesn't).

[BrometheusBob.]

Of course there are more world titles today than there were in Joe Louis' time there are more people competing today than there were in the 1940s. You have fighters coming from all over the world so there needed to be more sanctioning bodies in order to rank them. Floyd is the best fighter in the world at a time where there are more people actively participating in the sport than there ever were before. Plus, Floyd has won the major titles that have been recognized historically in each weight class he's competed in.

You can't say Floyd is the greatest but you can't say without a doubt that he's not the greatest.

I can't say I know whether there are more boxers nowadays than before, but I believe it. A fair point.