Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Khan Won Two Titles? So Did Andre Berto!

[torosboxing75]

Berto is a C+ / B- fighter at best. LMAO! Floyds fighting a gate keeper on ppv.

[torosboxing75]

of course there are arguments for everything - but those fighters are more deserving - you said it. how ever you want to pick apart those opopnents, none of them would even be a 10-1 underdog, much less 40-1 underdog. it's bc the vegas books,like most know the chances of Berto winning are a little better than winning Megamillions

[Xi_]

Algieri wasn't the best opponent Pac faced, but what were the other choices. Thurman or Garcia or other haymon fighters were not gonna face Pac. So please illuminate us as to the better fights that Pac decided not to make - such as here where Floyd could've fought Garcia, Thurman, porter, Brook or Khan

Plus, Algieri was undefeated and a champion at the time Pac fought him. Right before the win over Provo, Algieri had a solid win over Emmanuel Taylor, who is also better than anyone Berto has beaten in the past 4 years.

People who actually follow the sport of boxing would appreciate it if you'd stop giving that lame ass excuse as why pacquiao couldn't fight haymon fighters......nobody put a gun to that idiot's head and made him resign to top rank. He could've easily did what cotto did and become a free agent while on top of that make even more money. So no, we're not buying that "he had no options" garbage. Pacquiao choose the easy/safe route.

[rasdun]

People who actually follow the sport of boxing would appreciate it if you'd stop giving that lame ass excuse as why pacquiao couldn't fight haymon fighters......nobody put a gun to that idiot's head and made him resign to top rank. He could've easily did what cotto did and become a free agent while on top of that make even more money. So no, we're not buying that "he had no options" garbage. Pacquiao choose the easy/safe route.

Whether he made a smart business decision to resign with TR- that's a completely different argument. I agree he shouldn't have resigned; but he did.
So, in the fall of '14, he had very little options - that's a fact, not a lame excuse.
That said, as a I pointed out above, Algieri was an undefeated titlist who had aggod win over another good young fighter in taylor and followed it up with an impressive (albeit close)upset win on HBO over a fighter who, at that time, was considered one of the very top 140 lbers in the sport (after his war with lb 4 lb top 10 fighter Bradley and his destruction over Alvarado).
please, humor me; at the time, who would you have preferred that he face?

[Thutch2412]

is this joke - how did I act like it was your fault - I was stating facts. are you serious?

Pac didn't have a lot of options last fall, so he fought an undefeated 140 lb titlist who had two good wins in his last couple of fights. Berto has looked more horrendous each time out.

and being "established" means nothing. Shane Mosely is "established" but he's far from his prime. I think most smart boxing minds would agree that Berto is not the same fighter he was when he "established" himself 6-7 years ago

Why even question who he should have rather fought though? You and I both know pickings are limited at TR, and that wasn't where my argument was in the first place.

I don't get why you are defending an Algieri and bashing a Berto. Remember, you replied to my original reply (that no one criticized Manny vs Algieri).

Yes, talking to another fan of boxing, Taylor is decent. It was a decent win for Algieri, that unfortunately no one watched aside from actual fans of the sport. No one really gave him credit after Provo, a lot of people thought the decision was controversial. And, yes, Provo is limited.

The only reason casuals or other "fans" heard of Algieri is because he was being mentioned in the same sentence as Manny. Where did Algieri go after the loss? Boxing obscurity. Popped back up for two seconds, and the only time you hear him now is when people make fun of Khan.

Your point that I see you continually make is there were other fighters more deserving. True, and I don't even defend the pick of Berto. But while options were limited Manny could have done something on his end to get a more credible opponent, the media hyped that fight up. As a fan you would have known Algieri stood no chance.

When placing Berto vs Algieri, I give Berto the nod in terms of what he's done in the sport that's it.

On to the Floyd fight, I don't like the pick, and I'm a huge fan. I would have rather watched him fight other guys instead. But as a fan, I'll still watch it, the undercard isn't horrible.

And while the pick sucks, I do think imo that this fight will be more exciting/entertaining than many of Floyd's most recent fights just because of the opponent, which I can't say is a horrible thing. It will take me back to watching Floyd at lower weights if it plays out the way I think it will.

[Xi_]

Whether he made a smart business decision to resign with TR- that's a completely different argument. I agree he shouldn't have resigned; but he did.
So, in the fall of '14, he had very little options - that's a fact, not a lame excuse.
That said, as a I pointed out above, Algieri was an undefeated titlist who had aggod win over another good young fighter in taylor and followed it up with an impressive (albeit close)upset win on HBO over a fighter who, at that time, was considered one of the very top 140 lbers in the sport (after his war with lb 4 lb top 10 fighter Bradley and his destruction over Alvarado).
please, humor me; at the time, who would you have preferred that he face?

By resigning with top rank, he choose the easy/safe route so that he can cherrypick in China. Algieri is garbage, I don't care if he was undefeated. He doesn't beat anyone in the top ten. He's berto level in my opinion. To answer your question, he could of fought Brook or given jmm 50/50.

[Thutch2412]

Whether he made a smart business decision to resign with TR- that's a completely different argument. I agree he shouldn't have resigned; but he did.
So, in the fall of '14, he had very little options - that's a fact, not a lame excuse.
That said, as a I pointed out above, Algieri was an undefeated titlist who had aggod win over another good young fighter in taylor and followed it up with an impressive (albeit close)upset win on HBO over a fighter who, at that time, was considered one of the very top 140 lbers in the sport (after his war with lb 4 lb top 10 fighter Bradley and his destruction over Alvarado).
please, humor me; at the time, who would you have preferred that he face?

I don't get your argument, you're almost contradicting yourself. Everyone knows pickings are limited at Top Rank, but that's not an excuse as to why Manny fought Algieri. Basically, you acknowledging that TR had nothing to choose from was the reason he chose Algieri, not that Algieri was a credible deserving opponent, just that no one was left.

But then you go on and hype his win against Taylor and Provo. Choose one argument and stick with it. Either he chose Algieri because there were no other options, or he chose Algieri because Algieri legit deserved that fight.

We all had a feeling the Floyd fight was going to happen the middle of last year anyway. Call it a stay busy fight, because that's all it was, the pick of Algieri ****** just as much as Floyd picking Berto does.

[rasdun]

Why even question who he should have rather fought though? You and I both know pickings are limited at TR, and that wasn't where my argument was in the first place.

I don't get why you are defending an Algieri and bashing a Berto. Remember, you replied to my original reply (that no one criticized Manny vs Algieri).

Yes, talking to another fan of boxing, Taylor is decent. It was a decent win for Algieri, that unfortunately no one watched aside from actual fans of the sport. No one really gave him credit after Provo, a lot of people thought the decision was controversial. And, yes, Provo is limited.

The only reason casuals or other "fans" heard of Algieri is because he was being mentioned in the same sentence as Manny. Where did Algieri go after the loss? Boxing obscurity. Popped back up for two seconds, and the only time you hear him now is when people make fun of Khan.

Your point that I see you continually make is there were other fighters more deserving. True, and I don't even defend the pick of Berto. But while options were limited Manny could have done something on his end to get a more credible opponent, the media hyped that fight up. As a fan you would have known Algieri stood no chance.

When placing Berto vs Algieri, I give Berto the nod in terms of what he's done in the sport that's it.

On to the Floyd fight, I don't like the pick, and I'm a huge fan. I would have rather watched him fight other guys instead. But as a fan, I'll still watch it, the undercard isn't horrible.

And while the pick sucks, I do think imo that this fight will be more exciting/entertaining than many of Floyd's most recent fights just because of the opponent, which I can't say is a horrible thing. It will take me back to watching Floyd at lower weights if it plays out the way I think it will.

Why would I not look at who he could've fought. I will criticize something if there is a better option available but not taken. here, one of my points was that Algieri was actually one of the best of the options available to Pac - whereas berto is clearly not. that's the distinction - you don't see that?

Also, What? boxing obscurity? lol. It was been only 9 mo since his loss to Pac, and he has already gotten a fight vs a fighter who is a top 5 contender at welterwt, and he looked good in that fight.

And that was my question, you say Manny could have done more to get a better opponent - what exactly?

You could give berto the nod, but did you see Algieri vs Khan -he looked good in that fight and he is better than Berto at this stage in their careers. But that's not the point. the point is whether Berto is one of the best choices. that's it. And you at least acknowledge that the pick sux and you'd rather watch mayweather vs other fighters. isn't that how this debate started - bc for some reason, some Floyd fans just cant bring themselves to admit that this is a bad choice

[FrankieBruno]

On to the Floyd fight, I don't like the pick, and I'm a huge fan. I would have rather watched him fight other guys instead. But as a fan, I'll still watch it, the undercard isn't horrible.

And while the pick sucks, I do think imo that this fight will be more exciting/entertaining than many of Floyd's most recent fights just because of the opponent, which I can't say is a horrible thing. It will take me back to watching Floyd at lower weights if it plays out the way I think it will.

Floyd ducked Khan and Thurman, you can spin it any way you want to

A duck is a duck.

[rasdun]

I don't get your argument, you're almost contradicting yourself. Everyone knows pickings are limited at Top Rank, but that's not an excuse as to why Manny fought Algieri. Basically, you acknowledging that TR had nothing to choose from was the reason he chose Algieri, not that Algieri was a credible deserving opponent, just that no one was left.

But then you go on and hype his win against Taylor and Provo. Choose one argument and stick with it. Either he chose Algieri because there were no other options, or he chose Algieri because Algieri legit deserved that fight.

We all had a feeling the Floyd fight was going to happen the middle of last year anyway. Call it a stay busy fight, because that's all it was, the pick of Algieri ****** just as much as Floyd picking Berto does.

I can't make 2 points in the same paragraph - is that too much to follow?
I can't say that Algieri was/is a good fighter - not a great one - but a good undefeated titlist who was coming off two good wins, AND also say that in addition to that, TR didn't have a lot of other options. So bc of those TWO factors, it wasn't a terrible choice of opponent.
Cmon, are you serious?