How bad does a fighter have to be before you give up on him?

[vB Martin]

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

[spinksjinx]

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

Great ANALYSIS! Proud of you here is some karma!

He isnt a top contender anymore, however I will continue to watch his fights though.

Meldrick Taylor and soon to be Evander Holyfield are 2 fighters I have no intentions on watching fight anymore.

I fear for both of their lives.

Mesi is another guy who I wont support, with his type of injury he really shouldnt be trying to pursue boxing. Who cares if it is small, if your brain is bleeding just the smallest bit thats a sure fire sign to get the hell out of their.

[TheRealDunnagan]

it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

yup

steroids leave the body spent, vitali won't reign for much longer

the juicemonkies rise fast, but they don't stay there..guys like bernard are there to stay naturally

[spinksjinx]

yup

steroids leave the body spent, vitali won't reign for much longer

the juicemonkies rise fast, but they don't stay there..guys like bernard are there to stay naturally

Vitali took steroids during his amateur period, which was YEARS ago. I doubt he is doing them now though.

[PBDS]

Vitali took steroids during his amateur period, which was YEARS ago. I doubt he is doing them now though.

....It wasn't even steroids per say. It was a doctor prescribed substance that just happened to be on the banned list. It was not the juice and he didn't know it was illegal. Big difference.

[PBDS]

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

....Sanders could take anyone out at anytime so you can throw that one out the window. Williamson was getting whiped and would have been dropped shortly. The Brewster situation was the strangest thing I have ever seen and who knows what the hell happened in that fight. For me, Wlad has no more chances. He either produces big in his next several fights or I will also write him off. But right now it's too early to throw in the towel on a 28 year old kid with mad skills?

[SweetScience]

I just can't count out a guy like Wlad.

He's young still and has the very good skills for a big man. Look at a guy like Golota, he's back in the picture. The Heavyweight division is WEAK, everybody gives Tyson a shot. So why not Wlad who's younger and better skilled at this point? Also Wlad has the perfect trainer for him, because Manny knows how to make champions out of chinny fighters.

Main thing is though if Wlad wants it, no desire... no chance.

[TheRealDunnagan]

....It wasn't even steroids per say. It was a doctor prescribed substance that just happened to be on the banned list. It was not the juice and he didn't know it was illegal. Big difference.

arent you the one that said Wlad dominated Williams in this fight?

[TheRealDunnagan]

Main thing is though if Wlad wants it, no desire... no chance.

it's his chin,man

he probably never excercises his neck

[vB Martin]

....Sanders could take anyone out at anytime so you can throw that one out the window.

Apparently he couldn't. Big Klit beat him like a red-headed stepchild in his next fight, plus he's never been champ. Sort of negates that argument.

Williamson was getting whiped and would have been dropped shortly.

I don't know what you saw that leads you to believe this, but the fight I watched at least 5 times, Little Klit had not even phased Williamson. Even his hellacious fury after the KD didn't dent him. All it did was spend energy.

The Brewster situation was the strangest thing I have ever seen and who knows what the hell happened in that fight.

I agree it was strange, but everyone who watched knows what happened. Little Klit punched himself out against a guy with a solid chin and no skills, then got caught.
Which excuse... erm.. theory do you subscribe to? The Vaseline excuse? The drugged excuse? The still sore from the **** probings after being abducted by aliens the night before excuse?
There were plenty to choose from after this humiliating loss.

For me, Wlad has no more chances. He either produces big in his next several fights or I will also write him off. But right now it's too early to throw in the towel on a 28 year old kid with mad skills?

That's exactly where I stand. Show me something against a quality opponent (at least as quality as this depleted era can produce) and I will admit I was wrong about him being washed up. Otherwise, spar with your brother and try to get on some German TV series until your fame finally fades.