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  • Kingraleck
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    Seeking Greatness

    I rarely post on here, but will give it shot based on the Berto-TBE announcement yesterday. I'm not that old, but I sure to wish for the days when fighters sought the fights that would dare them to be great. For instance, when I was a juvenile, Sugar Ray Leonard sought fights that would always test his mettle. This is even true when in the 90's he was seeking a middleweight belt beyond his grasp. Oscar fought all comers, and even went up to MW to fight BHop. This may not be true of every boxer, but these 2 particular fighters sought to fight the best and were rewarded handsomely.

    I'm surely not going to buy this Berto fight. I've watched Berto since 2008, saw his fight against Collazo live in Biloxi, and witnessed him fall off a cliff since. He does make exciting fights because he is so flawed. But, is there any greatness that can be achieved by fighting Berto? If Soto Karass knocked him out and Ortiz knocked him down, does it make Floyd any less great if he cannot do the same?

    We all know that this won't be Floyd's last fight. It's perfect business sense to take $30M+ to take on Berto. After that, Floyd is free to go for 50-0 and set up a bidding war for his services. As such, one would have to be quite naive to think that this will be Floyd's farewell. This is merely just an attempt to draw as many viewers as possible for this epic mismatch.

    Another argument that I cannot fathom is the "Pac fought Algieri; why can't I take an easy fight?" Specifically as to Pac, there is no doubt he needed to be built back up after the crushing KO from Marquez. But, Floyd has faced no such rebuilding process. Thus, this justification for this mismatch is without merit and fails to utilize reasonable logic to sell me on this fight.

    Let's give credit where credit is due: Floyd beat Cotto at 154. Floyd beat Canelo at 152. Indeed, he's stepped up in weight class to take on arguably the 2 best guys in the JMW division. No one can take that away from him. He beat De la Hoya, Marquez and Hatton. He beat the only perceived rival of his era in Manny. There is no question his resume speaks for itself.

    However, is it reasonable for us to want more when we've been offered Berto? I would have reasonably considered purchasing the event if it included Thurman (who I am not sold on at this point; he appears to have potentially plateaued to me, but it may have to do with matchmaking), Brook, Porter or even Danny Garcia. Khan talks a good fight, so that may have made it interesting, but if Manny annihilates Khan and Khan doesn't look very impressive in beating Algieri, what does that say of Khan's chances when Manny was unable to beat Floyd? (Other potential opponents with no chance of facing Floyd, such as Tim Bradley, won't be given any thought, although that might be a decent scrap).

    Although highly improbable, but likely impossible, do you want to see Floyd truly challenge himself and fight GGG? What if Floyd fought the winner of Cotto-Canelo at MW for the lineal championship? Or the eventual winner of GGG vs. the Cotto Canelo winner? If he fought either Cotto or Canelo at MW, I think he beats both again. Both of those fighters have tried and failed to succeed. A weight advantage would only appear to assist Canelo if they fought again. GGG is the great unknown. However, Floyd would be installed as the favorite and I believe he could still win.

    Greatness and legacy is what we seek in pro sports. Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker and Pop leave it all on the line every year in order to go for a championship and legacy. Brady and Belichek do the same in pro football. Is it so wrong to have TBE actually earn that title by fighting outside his comfort zone and seeking greatness?

    Have at it.
  • King_
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    #2
    Floyd is TBE. GGG is a cherry picking bum



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    • Joe Beamish
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      #3
      Yes, Berto is uninspiring, but who else is there today? Nobody under 160 would provide the slightest challenge to Floyd.

      And Floyd started his career as a super featherweight. He doesn't need to take on a MW to prove he's great. You can't compare Floyd to Leonard who is several inches taller and started at welter.

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      • deathofaclown
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        #4
        People always bringing up the old fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard but is Floyd fighting Berto any worse than SRL fighting Bruce Finch? No.

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        • El-blanco
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          #5
          Originally posted by Joe Beamish
          Yes, Berto is uninspiring, but who else is there today? Nobody under 160 would provide the slightest challenge to Floyd.

          And Floyd started his career as a super featherweight. He doesn't need to take on a MW to prove he's great. You can't compare Floyd to Leonard who is several inches taller and started at welter.
          There's a lot of guys better than Berto that he can fight. Sure they're not going to be legends but they are leagues above Berto. Berto was literally the butt of many boxing jokes and now Floyd is actually fighting him. It's honestly comical and pathetic.

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          • Weltschmerz
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            Agreed, he could have negotiated with Golovkin for a catch weight. Nobody should be interested in seeing him vs Berto.

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            • Johnny2x2x
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              Sugar Ray Leonard Donnie Lalonde after he fought Hagler, and he fought Bruce Finch and Kevin Howard before he fought Hagler. 3 total bums.

              No fighter fought the best possible opponent in every fight, that includes Leonard, Robinson, or Ali.

              I would have liked to see Floyd fight Khan or Thurman, but after his last 4 fights he earned an easy opponent.

              The Pacquiao fight was the culmination of his career, there is nothing left to prove, his legacy is written. I wouldn't have been surprised had he retired after that fight. He wants to finish his Showtime contract though, so let him hand pick someone, good for him.

              The guy is 26-0 in Championship fights and has fought more current or former champions than virtually any fighter in history. Most fighters don't start fighting champions until their 25th or even 30th fight, Floyd fought Genaro Hernandez in his 18th fight, he's been fighting champions ever since. He doesn't get enough credit for that. His record against former or current champions will never be repeated. Heck, has GGG fought even 3 former or current world champions yet in his 34 fights?
              Last edited by Johnny2x2x; 08-05-2015, 09:51 AM.

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              • soul_survivor
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                TS, you have made some good points. I too believe that Mayweather took on decent enough or very good opponents when he faced Oscar, Hatto and even Cotto. Going further back, although neither man was great, Corrales and Castillo were both outstanding names as well.

                But Mayweather's career has been filled with far too many Ortiz's, Mitchells, Baldomirs, and now Berto. tut tut tut

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                • Scary
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                  #9
                  Floyd huggers be like "Louis" also beat his wife, so it's ok Floyd does too!

                  As long as he continues to fight, this is just another easy fight, but it's hopefully to get May Pac 2, May thurman or May Khan.

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