What Really Happened on our Fight of the Century

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  • JohnnyRebel
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    #11
    Originally posted by ButtScratcher^^
    It's amazing that through frame by frame replays you could really watch how these two legends at the pinnacle of their skills work. What is really amazing to me is that pacquiao who clearly fought floyd's game whether he planned it or floyd has able to lure him into it was able to neutralize floyd defensively and floyd was missing his punches all over in inches by inches, and although pacquiao was expected to miss a lot due to the defensive prowess of floyd, which he did, pacquiao clearly landed the more meaningful and effective clean punches in the fight and this is undeniable.

    Now, we as floyd fans, was hypocritically saying that floyd had clearly schooled or dominated the fight, we want it so badly that we are beginning to believe it ourselves, but it's really not the fact, the actual fight is so VERY VERY VERY close. Do not listen to the jim lampley, roy jones or any of the compubox mumbo jumbo because it's all flawed and subjective, trust your eyes, watch it frame by frame in slow motion because that is the real deal and you will see the truth. And the truth is the fight could go either way because it's that close. The truth is manny pacquiao is the one who landed the more meaningful and clean effective punches, floyd missed a LOT too and I mean a LOT as much as pacquiao did.

    Here is the real score and what it's suppose to be, if we are to apply the actual basis on how this game is scored in today's boxing standard:

    Clean effective punching: Manny
    Effective aggressiveness: Manny
    Ring Generalship: Floyd
    Defense: Floyd

    No way you could argue with that because first of all, clean effective punching belongs clearly to Manny, No way you can fool a frame by frame, slow motion nowadays.

    Secondly, effective aggressiveness still belongs to manny because first of all, floyd isn't aggressive at all, why would a judge give this to floyd that's ridiculous, a guy who isn't aggressive at all can't be effective. And although manny's aggressiveness is being tamed by floyd's effective defense, it is Manny Pacquiao who is the more assertive and aggressive between the two so clearly this factor is in Manny Pacquiao's favor.

    Thirdly, ring generalship belongs clearly to Floyd, no way it's going to belong to Manny because the flow and pace of the fight was in floyd's favor, Manny fought floyd's pace and style. No way to argue about this.

    Fourthly, although both are superb defensively, and if you watch it frame by frame in slow motion, it could go either way,but for me, I'll give it to floyd because clearly he was able to tame Pacquiao's supposedly overwhelming offensive game and usual output.

    ***Okay so do you guys/gals see the flaw in today's scoring system? You're not alone, what is wrong here is that they made the scoring a subjective type instead of an objective one like most other modern sports. Why would they make such a thing? Why make it harder to score for themselves than it really is specially with today's technology is a great puzzle to us. Maybe they are stuck in the old traditional ways and still afraid of change or maybe they want to purposely control and from time to time encourage controversial decisions themselves so that they can skew/favor the result of the fight to the fighter which will benefit their own business welfare in the long run, we really do not know the real answer. But one thing we know is, clearly, this system does not work anymore because it has resulted in too many controversial decisions, the list of controversial and flawed decisions are already too long to count that you just have to accept it.

    Bottom-line: We now have the technology in our hands and this isn't 1800's anymore, change the scoring system and find a way to incorporate replay system with it; --every modern sports now have incorporated replay in their scoring system, why does the most dangerous sport in modern times, where every punch thrown can cause hematoma and death to human being still doesn't have the luxury of a truly accurate objective scoring system? Basketball has one now, Tennis has one now and a countless many other modern sports, and that's ridiculous because that's not so dangerous as boxing. Come on, it's time to change.

    In conclusion, there is no heroism nor celebration here for the fans, the fight of century is so awful for the casuals because they cancel out each other, only us, true hardcores of the game can appreciate the skill level involved in that fight. The fact is, both of them are so good at evading each others arsenal and the thinking part of the game that they could go on forever like that and no eventful thing will happen. Pacquiao fought floyd's game whether his team planned it or lured by floyd and whatnot and that's what happened, they cancel out each other, they are so so good defensively that the fight ended that way till the end.
    Is this Spoon23 or ADPO2?

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    • The tucker
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      #12
      I am an mayweather fan but I do hate the fact that people say Floyd put on a "clinic" or an "boxing lesson" because I agree it is far from the truth.

      in my opinion Floyd put up an D performance he did just enough to pass the test.like if manny landed two punches Floyd was gonna land three and do nothing more.

      Manny on the other hand just played mayweathers game. he had huge moments but they were few and far between.mayweather didn't have any huge moments he just controlled the majority of the fight.

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        #13
        Originally posted by StudentOfDaGame
        LOL I know just century right? More like biggest fight in recorded history.
        the other fights called "fight of the century", "fight of the decade" etc were named such because of how good the fights were not because of ratings

        no doubt pac/floyd was a hit with people who followed their personal lives on TMZ and social media and broke money records because of that

        but in the ring it was an unmemorable boxing match between two past its that will only be remembered by hardcore history buffs
        Last edited by ////; 07-26-2015, 10:01 PM.

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        • meme_man
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          #14
          Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
          Stfu

          Floyd schooled manny "30 punches a round" pacquio
          You got me over here dying lmao...

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            #15
            Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
            Stfu

            Floyd schooled manny "30 punches a round" pacquio
            Originally posted by Easy Work.
            What happened was a boxing lesson
            / thread...

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              #16
              Originally posted by ButtScratcher^^
              It's amazing that through frame by frame replays you could really watch how these two legends at the pinnacle of their skills work. What is really amazing to me is that pacquiao who clearly fought floyd's game whether he planned it or floyd has able to lure him into it was able to neutralize floyd defensively and floyd was missing his punches all over in inches by inches, and although pacquiao was expected to miss a lot due to the defensive prowess of floyd, which he did, pacquiao clearly landed the more meaningful and effective clean punches in the fight and this is undeniable.

              Now, we as floyd fans, was hypocritically saying that floyd had clearly schooled or dominated the fight, we want it so badly that we are beginning to believe it ourselves, but it's really not the fact, the actual fight is so VERY VERY VERY close. Do not listen to the jim lampley, roy jones or any of the compubox mumbo jumbo because it's all flawed and subjective, trust your eyes, watch it frame by frame in slow motion because that is the real deal and you will see the truth. And the truth is the fight could go either way because it's that close. The truth is manny pacquiao is the one who landed the more meaningful and clean effective punches, floyd missed a LOT too and I mean a LOT as much as pacquiao did.

              Here is the real score and what it's suppose to be, if we are to apply the actual basis on how this game is scored in today's boxing standard:

              Clean effective punching: Manny
              Effective aggressiveness: Manny
              Ring Generalship: Floyd
              Defense: Floyd

              No way you could argue with that because first of all, clean effective punching belongs clearly to Manny, No way you can fool a frame by frame, slow motion nowadays.

              Secondly, effective aggressiveness still belongs to manny because first of all, floyd isn't aggressive at all, why would a judge give this to floyd that's ridiculous, a guy who isn't aggressive at all can't be effective. And although manny's aggressiveness is being tamed by floyd's effective defense, it is Manny Pacquiao who is the more assertive and aggressive between the two so clearly this factor is in Manny Pacquiao's favor.

              Thirdly, ring generalship belongs clearly to Floyd, no way it's going to belong to Manny because the flow and pace of the fight was in floyd's favor, Manny fought floyd's pace and style. No way to argue about this.

              Fourthly, although both are superb defensively, and if you watch it frame by frame in slow motion, it could go either way,but for me, I'll give it to floyd because clearly he was able to tame Pacquiao's supposedly overwhelming offensive game and usual output.

              ***Okay so do you guys/gals see the flaw in today's scoring system? You're not alone, what is wrong here is that they made the scoring a subjective type instead of an objective one like most other modern sports. Why would they make such a thing? Why make it harder to score for themselves than it really is specially with today's technology is a great puzzle to us. Maybe they are stuck in the old traditional ways and still afraid of change or maybe they want to purposely control and from time to time encourage controversial decisions themselves so that they can skew/favor the result of the fight to the fighter which will benefit their own business welfare in the long run, we really do not know the real answer. But one thing we know is, clearly, this system does not work anymore because it has resulted in too many controversial decisions, the list of controversial and flawed decisions are already too long to count that you just have to accept it.

              Bottom-line: We now have the technology in our hands and this isn't 1800's anymore, change the scoring system and find a way to incorporate replay system with it; --every modern sports now have incorporated replay in their scoring system, why does the most dangerous sport in modern times, where every punch thrown can cause hematoma and death to human being still doesn't have the luxury of a truly accurate objective scoring system? Basketball has one now, Tennis has one now and a countless many other modern sports, and that's ridiculous because that's not so dangerous as boxing. Come on, it's time to change.

              In conclusion, there is no heroism nor celebration here for the fans, the fight of century is so awful for the casuals because they cancel out each other, only us, true hardcores of the game can appreciate the skill level involved in that fight. The fact is, both of them are so good at evading each others arsenal and the thinking part of the game that they could go on forever like that and no eventful thing will happen. Pacquiao fought floyd's game whether his team planned it or lured by floyd and whatnot and that's what happened, they cancel out each other, they are so so good defensively that the fight ended that way till the end.
              aside from being delusional you suffer from dementia...stfu pac lost...

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              • chirorickyp
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                #17
                That was a very accurate description of what happened in that fight. When you watch without the announcers you realize the fight was closer. When you watch the exchanges in slow motion many of Floyd punches were redirected blocked or they missed.

                To me fighting is making the opponent miss and making him pay. Neither one did much of that. Manny landed the more decisive punches in most of the rounds. Floyd moved well but rarely landed solid punches.
                This fight did more to harm boxing and raised up the UFC as a more exciting sport where the champions go for the gold instead of just going through a sparring session. I still prefer boxing over all sports because of the likes of Hagler Leonard Hearns and Duran.
                Tommy Hearns would have absolutely destroyed either Floyd or Manny within 3 rounds. Dear Lord please bring back slick boxers who go for the KO.

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                • BrometheusBob.
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by BertoRollin'
                  What I saw in the fight of the century was BJ Flores unable to deal with Shumenov's movement and slick boxing skills and get completely frustrated. In round 12 when instructed to cut off the ring he replied "how?"

                  Shumenov applied spectacular footwork and used his superior reach and sense of distance to cruise to a unanimous decision.

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                    • TKO88
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                      #20
                      More like Farce Of The Century.

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