Zab Judah Vs. Floyd Mayweather - Let's see who gets it right.

[Zab Super Judah]

Floyd Mayweather
borikua
RunW/Knives
TyrantT316






Zab Judah
Flipside

can I vote for both

I want to make a educated prediction and go with Mayweather

But I have this funny feeling that Judah is gonna bring the heat

I'll save my prediction for after weighin

[cold]

Zab Judah WINS

[borikua]

I'll do it for you then...

Floyd Mayweather
borikua
RunW/Knives
TyrantT316
GodzHand
xcaret
PBF34
JLF85
Jmcbulls
JoeTheRock7
DiegoFuego


Zab Judah
Flipside
The Fix
Turboflat4
_EnRiQuE_
cold
Zab Super Judah

[restless_438]

i'm never one to screw these up... (btw, who'd ever think me and diego's names would be next to each other on a subject..)


Floyd Mayweather
borikua
RunW/Knives
TyrantT316
GodzHand
xcaret
PBF34
JLF85
Jmcbulls
JoeTheRock7
DiegoFuego
restless_438


Zab Judah
Flipside
The Fix
Turboflat4
_EnRiQuE_
cold
Zab Super Judah

[flipside]

for the zab hater



Bandwagon jumpers or front-runners or what ever you call them are everywhere. You can’t drive through a neighborhood in Southern California without seeing a USC flag outside or you can’t go to a bar and talk football without running into some New England Patriot fans. Boxing fans are the same way and after Floyd Mayweather destroyed Arturo Gatti, they’ve all seemed to jump on the bandwagon.

Well I’ve been on the Mayweather bandwagon since he turned pro and I’ve ranked him as the best fighter in the world since Roy Jones' struggled to a decision victory in the first Tarver fight in the fall of 2003. Even though Hopkins was in the middle of one of the sport’s lengthiest title reigns, I thought that Pretty Boy Floyd’s skills along with his physical gifts were vastly superior to those of Hopkins and still feel that the only two fighters in the last fifteen years with superior or comparable skills were Roy Jones in his prime or Pernell Sweet Pee Whitaker.

Even Emanuel Steward who worked with Floyd while his father was in jail for ******* distribution at the time of the Olympic trials felt that Floyd was the best prospect on that 96 team despite only coming away with a bronze medal. "He’s going to be better than his daddy or his uncle. He’s got stronger legs, he’s built better physically and he’s so comfortable in the ring, he grew up in it."

So it was no surprise that he was the first Olympian from that team to win a world title and I don’t think any of the other Olympian’s title winning performances were as impressive. Vargas beat Yori Boy Campas who was a seasoned pro, but whom had already been destroyed by Felix Trinidad and Jose Luis Lopez. David Reid’s win over Laurent Boudouani was impressive, but the Frenchman had been struggling as a champion, most notably in his two controversial bouts against current cruiserweight contender Guillermo Jones.

Floyd on the other hand beat won of the sport’s best champions, Genaro Chicanito Hernandez who was very underrated and probably one of the ten best 130 pound champs in the division’s history. Chicanito had never lost at 130 pounds and his only loss came against Oscar De La Hoya at Lightweight. Hernandez had beaten Azumah Neslon and a slew of other top contenders such as Carlos Hernandez during his tenure as first a WBA titlist then as a champion of the WBC.

Since the Hernandez bout in 98, which also earned him the Ring’s fighter of the year award, Mayweather has beaten an undefeated Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, and an Angel Manfredy who was on a 23-fight win streak and was coming off of a stoppage victory over Arturo Gatti.

With the exception of the first fight with Castillo, Mayweather dominated everybody. So in a way it gets to me that Mayweather accomplished so much and is now just receiving those accolades based on his win over Arturo Gatti. Gatti is a ring warrior, but he’s not a great fighter and in the strictest sense of the term, never really a true world champion. At no point in time was Gatti the best fighter in his weight class.

When he was the Junior Lightweight Champ, Chacanito would have won every round against the Italian Canadian. And Gatti’s claim to the WBC 140 pound title was dubious at best. You think Gianluca Branco was a top contender? Even though Mickey Ward is a credit to the game whose class epitomizes the wholesome honest moral disposition of the working class pug Ward wasn’t that good of a fighter.

Yah he had beaten a number of perennial contenders such as Emanuel Augustus, Reggie Green, Shea Neary, and Alfonso Sanchez, but the Bostonian gladiator never beat a top five guy and had lost 11 times coming into his fights with Gatti. So what I’m saying is don’t base your evaluation of Floyd on his utter domination of Gatti because Arturo wasn’t that good. There’s at least five other guys that weigh less than 147 pound that could beat Gatti up like that.

That’s what really gets me, Mayweather beats a big name and now he’s the best thing since chocolate was first discovered in the new world and supposedly has to go up 20 pounds to fight Winky Wright in order to find a challenge suitable for his out of this world talent. Give me a break! Mayweather only had four fights at lightweight and then three fights at 140-pounds against the not so frightening trio of Bruseles, Gatti, and Corley and now people are pushing him to fight the likes of Oscar De La Hoya and Winky Wright?

[flipside]

Come on, people are acting like Floyd was Roberto Duran and needs to move up to find challenges because he cleaned out his divisions. Yes, Mayweather was superior to the men he fought at junior welterweight, but he never proved his superiority against the 140-pound division’s elite.

Floyd’s rapid jump in weight is one of the reason’s why I give Zab Judah a hell of a shot of knocking Floyd out this Saturday. If someone would have offered Mayweather 7 million to fight Castillo in February at 135 pounds, Floyd could have easily made the weight. He’s not even a true 140-pounder much less a welterweight. And his fight against Sharmba Mitchell was a joke, they were pretty much two junior welterweights who were contracted to fight at the welterweight limit.

Does that mean Mayweather has fought at welterweight? No, because he’s never fought a true welterweight and he’s going to be in for a surprise when he gets hit by Zab Judah and feels the power of an elite 147 pounder because Floyd hasn’t scrapped with an elite top 25 pound for pound fighter since the second Castillo fight in 2002.

The thing that irks me more than anything is that these so-called boxing experts don’t think that Judah is going to be able to challenge Mayweather, and solely base that opinion on Judah's upset loss to Carlos Baldomir in January. I spoke with a colleague of mine the other day and told him that Judah-Mayweather is one of the best match ups in the sport and he commented, "No it’s an easy fight for Floyd, I think he’ll take him out in four rounds." I wanted to respond, "Do you know about boxing? How new are you to the sport?" Because fans that have been around the sport for lets say at least ten years are aware of a lot more than the fact that Zab Judah got starched by Kostya Tszyu in two rounds or came in unprepared against Carlos Baldomir.

They know that Zab Judah was also a child prodigy whose father was a former world kickboxing champ. They know that Zab was considered to have so much potential and so much natural talent coming into the professional ranks that Main Events and a number of other promoters were drooling on the very thought of signing him to a pro contract. In fact Zab used to regularly spar with Pernell Whitaker prior to turning professional and even briefly appeared on an HBO pre-fight documentary piece prior to Whitaker’s fight with Wilfredo Rivera in the spring of 1996.

So again it was no surprise when Zab’s pro-career started with a sizzle and he consequently won a one sided decision over the streaking Mickey Ward for the USBA title in 98 at the age of 20 and then the IBF Junior Welterweight title that he eventually lost in his fight to Tszyu.

The thing with Zab is that he’s one of those fighters that can do more if he wants to and sometimes seems tentative and uninspired, which is similar to how fans felt about Roy Jones when he was easily dominating lower level contenders like Derrick Harmon. Boxing enthusiasts were like "Come on, show us some fire, show us some passion."

And at times Zab has been lackadaisical as was the case in his fight with Reggie Green when hall of fame referee Author Mercante had to admonish him for not fighting hard enough. Even Bobby Goodman, the Vice President of Don King Productions feels that a lack of focus is Zab’s biggest weakness, "I’m confident that he’s got the skills, the speed, and the power to deal with anybody.

I don’t think Zab Judah has to take a backseat to anybody as long as he’s focused, he’s one of the best fighters in the world, pound for pound bar none." And Max Kellerman who has been one of Judah’s staunchest supporters feels as though Judah is lacking the focus to follow and implement a game plan, as was seen in his loss to Baldomir. "Zab’s problem is that he doesn’t have a game plan. It’s not like he doesn’t have skill, but he doesn’t apply that skill with a cohesive plan of attack."

Over the course of the last two years Judah has matured not only physically, but mentally as well. He’s coming in focused on a seek and destroy mission in this fight in order to prove that the Baldomir loss was a fluke. Judah had the same mindset in the second Spinks fight, but more than that he’s finally grown into a true welterweight and you can tell by his performance in the second Spinks fight. Judah practically manhandled Spinks who is still one of the 30 best fighters in the world.

It takes a while to grow into a new division and coming into the first Spinks fight Zab had never fought as a welterweight and he still had enough to hurt Spinks and keep the fight close. Some people might feel that the distractions associated with fighting in front of his hometown are what affected Spinks' performance in the second fight, but I think it had more to do with the fact that Judah had almost year to acclimate himself to the weight unlike Mayweather who really hasn’t had enough time to acclimate himself to 140 pounds much less 147.

Beside the natural size advantage over Mayweather, Judah hits a lot harder and has always been stronger than Floyd and even though Floyd will still have an edge in speed, his advantage in that category will be considerably less than at any point in his career. Seriously, who has Mayweather faced that’s faster than Zab? Also, when looking at fights it’s good to look at fighter’s weaknesses and strengths and Zab’s one true weakness is his chin. He’s been knocked down by Jan Bergman, Terron Millett, Cory Spinks, and was knocked out by Kostya Tzsyu. Judah was also stunned by Carlos Baldomir, but Baldomir might even be able to pack a bigger punch than Mayweather at 147. Mayweather can’t even crack an egg. That’s probably the only department where he’s lacking and it’s really going to show at Welterweight.

He won’t be able to hurt Zab and Judah is going to be in there throwing bombs without worrying too much about what’s coming his way. And that’s why I think Mayweather-Judah is a great fight. I really think that if Floyd wins it that he’s going to have to work, that he’s going to have to take some punches, and that he’s going to have to show the heart of a champion to come out victorious.

This fight isn’t a walk in the park as some boxing writers have suggested and I would handicap it with Maymeather being a –305 favorite, which are pretty close odds in boxing. So believe the hype around this one folks, this is a real barn-burner and believe me when I say that this will be a candidate for the fight of the year.

[guardian]

Come on, people are acting like Floyd was Roberto Duran and needs to move up to find challenges because he cleaned out his divisions. Yes, Mayweather was superior to the men he fought at junior welterweight, but he never proved his superiority against the 140-pound division’s elite.

Floyd’s rapid jump in weight is one of the reason’s why I give Zab Judah a hell of a shot of knocking Floyd out this Saturday. If someone would have offered Mayweather 7 million to fight Castillo in February at 135 pounds, Floyd could have easily made the weight. He’s not even a true 140-pounder much less a welterweight. And his fight against Sharmba Mitchell was a joke, they were pretty much two junior welterweights who were contracted to fight at the welterweight limit.

Does that mean Mayweather has fought at welterweight? No, because he’s never fought a true welterweight and he’s going to be in for a surprise when he gets hit by Zab Judah and feels the power of an elite 147 pounder because Floyd hasn’t scrapped with an elite top 25 pound for pound fighter since the second Castillo fight in 2002.

The thing that irks me more than anything is that these so-called boxing experts don’t think that Judah is going to be able to challenge Mayweather, and solely base that opinion on Judah's upset loss to Carlos Baldomir in January. I spoke with a colleague of mine the other day and told him that Judah-Mayweather is one of the best match ups in the sport and he commented, "No it’s an easy fight for Floyd, I think he’ll take him out in four rounds." I wanted to respond, "Do you know about boxing? How new are you to the sport?" Because fans that have been around the sport for lets say at least ten years are aware of a lot more than the fact that Zab Judah got starched by Kostya Tszyu in two rounds or came in unprepared against Carlos Baldomir.

They know that Zab Judah was also a child prodigy whose father was a former world kickboxing champ. They know that Zab was considered to have so much potential and so much natural talent coming into the professional ranks that Main Events and a number of other promoters were drooling on the very thought of signing him to a pro contract. In fact Zab used to regularly spar with Pernell Whitaker prior to turning professional and even briefly appeared on an HBO pre-fight documentary piece prior to Whitaker’s fight with Wilfredo Rivera in the spring of 1996.

So again it was no surprise when Zab’s pro-career started with a sizzle and he consequently won a one sided decision over the streaking Mickey Ward for the USBA title in 98 at the age of 20 and then the IBF Junior Welterweight title that he eventually lost in his fight to Tszyu.

The thing with Zab is that he’s one of those fighters that can do more if he wants to and sometimes seems tentative and uninspired, which is similar to how fans felt about Roy Jones when he was easily dominating lower level contenders like Derrick Harmon. Boxing enthusiasts were like "Come on, show us some fire, show us some passion."

And at times Zab has been lackadaisical as was the case in his fight with Reggie Green when hall of fame referee Author Mercante had to admonish him for not fighting hard enough. Even Bobby Goodman, the Vice President of Don King Productions feels that a lack of focus is Zab’s biggest weakness, "I’m confident that he’s got the skills, the speed, and the power to deal with anybody.

I don’t think Zab Judah has to take a backseat to anybody as long as he’s focused, he’s one of the best fighters in the world, pound for pound bar none." And Max Kellerman who has been one of Judah’s staunchest supporters feels as though Judah is lacking the focus to follow and implement a game plan, as was seen in his loss to Baldomir. "Zab’s problem is that he doesn’t have a game plan. It’s not like he doesn’t have skill, but he doesn’t apply that skill with a cohesive plan of attack."

Over the course of the last two years Judah has matured not only physically, but mentally as well. He’s coming in focused on a seek and destroy mission in this fight in order to prove that the Baldomir loss was a fluke. Judah had the same mindset in the second Spinks fight, but more than that he’s finally grown into a true welterweight and you can tell by his performance in the second Spinks fight. Judah practically manhandled Spinks who is still one of the 30 best fighters in the world.

It takes a while to grow into a new division and coming into the first Spinks fight Zab had never fought as a welterweight and he still had enough to hurt Spinks and keep the fight close. Some people might feel that the distractions associated with fighting in front of his hometown are what affected Spinks' performance in the second fight, but I think it had more to do with the fact that Judah had almost year to acclimate himself to the weight unlike Mayweather who really hasn’t had enough time to acclimate himself to 140 pounds much less 147.

Beside the natural size advantage over Mayweather, Judah hits a lot harder and has always been stronger than Floyd and even though Floyd will still have an edge in speed, his advantage in that category will be considerably less than at any point in his career. Seriously, who has Mayweather faced that’s faster than Zab? Also, when looking at fights it’s good to look at fighter’s weaknesses and strengths and Zab’s one true weakness is his chin. He’s been knocked down by Jan Bergman, Terron Millett, Cory Spinks, and was knocked out by Kostya Tzsyu. Judah was also stunned by Carlos Baldomir, but Baldomir might even be able to pack a bigger punch than Mayweather at 147. Mayweather can’t even crack an egg. That’s probably the only department where he’s lacking and it’s really going to show at Welterweight.

He won’t be able to hurt Zab and Judah is going to be in there throwing bombs without worrying too much about what’s coming his way. And that’s why I think Mayweather-Judah is a great fight. I really think that if Floyd wins it that he’s going to have to work, that he’s going to have to take some punches, and that he’s going to have to show the heart of a champion to come out victorious.

This fight isn’t a walk in the park as some boxing writers have suggested and I would handicap it with Maymeather being a –305 favorite, which are pretty close odds in boxing. So believe the hype around this one folks, this is a real barn-burner and believe me when I say that this will be a candidate for the fight of the year.

WOW!!! this GUY should right a column on these site

What do you think RICK??? hehehehehehehehehe

[2_piece_combos]

Floyd Mayweather
borikua
RunW/Knives
TyrantT316
GodzHand
xcaret
PBF34
JLF85
Jmcbulls
JoeTheRock7
DiegoFuego
restless_438


Zab Judah
Flipside
The Fix
Turboflat4
_EnRiQuE_
cold
Zab Super Judah
2_piece_combos

[flipside]

WOW!!! this GUY should right a column on these site

What do you think RICK??? hehehehehehehehehe

pakyu kinopya ko lang yan ****a!

[onetwopunch]

Call me crazy I think Zab is going to win this one.