Comments Thread For: Sergey Kovalev Open To Andre Ward - No Catch-Weight

[doom_specialist]

When Ward beats Kovalev, his career is gonna be pretty much over. Every fighter at 168 and below is already ducking him. Unless he wants to be a cruiserweight, he's gonna be beating nobodies until retirement.

Stevenson is already ducking Kovalev, so we already know he won't fight the guy who beats him.

[New England]

good. these two should fight at 175 lbs. the winner should be considered among the top p4p fighters on the planet not named floyd. maybe the very best not named floyd. maybe even better than floyd, depending on how they look. floyd has not fought a guy on the level of either at his peak. yes, manny is a greater fighter, but his prime was half a decade ago. watch his fights from the past 10 years if you don't believe me.

[MDPopescu]

we'll see

The killer will eventually hunt down that pimp on a back alley or something...

[doom_specialist]

good. these two should fight at 175 lbs. the winner should be considered among the top p4p fighters on the planet not named floyd. maybe the very best not named floyd. maybe even better than floyd, depending on how they look. floyd has not fought a guy on the level of either at his peak. yes, manny is a greater fighter, but his prime was half a decade ago. watch his fights from the past 10 years if you don't believe me.

Looking at Floyd's accomplishments vs Manny's, I'm inclined to say Floyd is the greater fighter. That, and the fact that Floyd kinda... you know... beat him lol

Floyd's no spring chicken either (before anyone starts the "Manny is old" argument). He's 2 years older than Manny actually.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Let's be real here. Fraudre Ward is gonna need a few tuneups before facing Krusher. And then he's gonna demand that Krusher fight in Oakland, then demand that Krusher only get $50,000, and then demand that Krusher can't hit back.

[New England]

Looking at Floyd's accomplishments vs Manny's, I'm inclined to say Floyd is the greater fighter. That, and the fact that Floyd kinda... you know... beat him lol

Floyd's no spring chicken either (before anyone starts the "Manny is old" argument). He's 2 years older than Manny actually.

are and boxing age / deterioration are completely different things. that you bring up a number leads me to believe that you might not understand that.

manny was in wars. lots of them. he has a style that lends itself to taking punishment. he used to be a one dimensional fighter, who depended on his power and chin. he learned on the job as a professional.

he's also not a welterweight, and wore down more from fighting larger men.


also, i was speaking about manny being a greater fighter than kovalev and ward, in spite of them being better p4p fighters at this stage. that sentence wasn't comparing him to mayweather.


i do think manny is a greater fighter than floyd. he beat better fighters. floyd has longevity, and an undefeated record. he's also a bad style for manny. he'd beat manny in their primes at whatever weight. he's got close to a ahlf inch advantage in reach, and is a gifted counterpuncher.

[New England]

if you can't discern between the level of deterioration in 2015 pacquiao and 2015 mayweathere, there's nothing i can do for you.


i can bring you to the well. i cannot make you drink.

[doom_specialist]

are and boxing age / deterioration are completely different things. that you bring up a number leads me to believe that you might not understand that.

manny was in wars. lots of them. he has a style that lends itself to taking punishment. he used to be a one dimensional fighter, who depended on his power and chin. he learned on the job as a professional.

he's also not a welterweight, and wore down more from fighting larger men.


also, i was speaking about manny being a greater fighter than kovalev and ward, in spite of them being better p4p fighters at this stage. that sentence wasn't comparing him to mayweather.


i do think manny is a greater fighter than floyd. he beat better fighters. floyd has longevity, and an undefeated record. he's also a bad style for manny. he'd beat manny in their primes at whatever weight. he's got close to a ahlf inch advantage in reach, and is a gifted counterpuncher.

I'm aware of wars breaking a fighter down, I just choose not to roll with that excuse, because Manny could have fought Floyd in 2009 instead of letting his team bicker about testing. There's also the fact that Manny just doesn't look good against guys that move. In any case, they were both obviously out of their primes, and Floyd beat him rather easily.

As far as resumes, To say Floyd's isn't better would cause me to borrow your "I can lead you to water" line (You can Boxrec their resumes; Floyd's is clearly better). Alas, I don't want to turn this into a Floyd/Manny argument in a Ward-Kovalev discussion (probably too late lmao), so I'll just say to each his own.

[NEETzsche]

if you can't discern between the level of deterioration in 2015 pacquiao and 2015 mayweathere, there's nothing i can do for you.


i can bring you to the well. i cannot make you drink.

mayweather looked awful for the entire 12 months before the pacquiao fight, whereas pacquiao had a great performance against bradley. mayweather even looked pretty bad in victory against pacquiao, despite near-whitewashing him. he's definitely in old man mode now

[New England]

mayweather looked awful for the entire 12 months before the pacquiao fight, whereas pacquiao had a great performance against bradley. mayweather even looked pretty bad in victory against pacquiao, despite near-whitewashing him. he's definitely in old man mode now

floyd looked old in the first maidana fight. he looked quite refreshed int he second fight. speculating about why is a sh#tstorm i'm not going to get into at this point.

again, if you can't distinguish between the deterioration of contemporary pacquiao and contemporary mayweather, there's probably nothing i can do for you.


it's only floyd fanboys who argue that floyd's more deteriorated than manny.