Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: GGG-Ward, Haymon/PBC, More

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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with another edition as Stephen 'Breadman' Edwards discussed the Premier Boxing Champions venture, Gennady Golovkin vs. Andre Ward, Keith Thurman vs. Luis Collazo, training camp methods, and more.

Why do you think there are so many complaints about Haymon? I saw your last answer and it was awesome you pointed out how certain things were “acceptable” when other power figures in boxing were doing them. But when Haymon does them it’s a big deal. But tell me why you think there is a double standard. Do you think it’s a race thing.
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[StiffBlab]

It's definitely a race issue with Haymon. When you question the haters, their reasons are silly. They can barely build a coherent story to justify the hate.

I'll say it on your behalf, because it's as clear as day.

[licketysplityu]

There are three possible fights for Mayweather where he can get paid the way he's used to:

a) Khan at Wembley

b) Rematch with Pacquiao

c) Final match with GGG

This way, if he wins the first two, he has his 50 wins to beat Marciano.
If he beats Golovkin there is one other possible fight--Crawford.

[Eastcoast]

Not only is Golovkin the A-side to Ward in terms of popularity, but he's got other leverage in the negotiations as well. For one thing, he's the one who has to move up to Ward's division, be it 168, 166, or 164. The other major leverage is Golovkin has options.

Golovkin can stay on HBO and fight the Tureano Johnson's or Heilands for million dollar paydays while he waits for a major fight with Alvarez and Lemieux. He also has the potential to move up for Froch in the UK, something Ward was unwilling to do. Andre Ward just lost his promotional company $2mill. They papered Oracle Arena with comp tickets. He only drew 326k viewers on free tv. Breadman's good friends with Hunter, but Golovkin is a clear A-side here.

What are Ward's options at 168? He stated recently he won't travel to the UK for DeGale (so forget Groves as well). Steiglitz/Abraham are staying in Germany. Kessler is retired. PBC is off-limits. Rameriz/Hart are with TR and won't be available for atleast another year.

In summary, not only is Golovkin's marketability stronger, but he's the one who has to concede a weight advantage to Ward while holding greater options within his own weight class.

[Cinci Champ]

Not only is Golovkin the A-side to Ward in terms of popularity, but he's got other leverage in the negotiations as well. For one thing, he's the one who has to move up to Ward's division, be it 168, 166, or 164. The other major leverage is Golovkin has options.

Golovkin can stay on HBO and fight the Tureano Johnson's or Heilands for million dollar paydays while he waits for a major fight with Alvarez and Lemieux. He also has the potential to move up for Froch in the UK, something Ward was unwilling to do. Andre Ward just lost his promotional company $2mill. They papered Oracle Arena with comp tickets. He only drew 326k viewers on free tv. Breadman's good friends with Hunter, but Golovkin is a clear A-side here.

What are Ward's options at 168? He stated recently he won't travel to the UK for DeGale (so forget Groves as well). Steiglitz/Abraham are staying in Germany. Kessler is retired. PBC is off-limits. Rameriz/Hart are with TR and won't be available for atleast another year.

In summary, not only is Golovkin's marketability stronger, but he's the one who has to concede a weight advantage to Ward while holding greater options within his own weight class.

how is fighting at 164 or 166 an advantage for ward?

[Deevel916]

how is fighting at 164 or 166 an advantage for ward?

He never said it was an advantage for Ward. He's simply pointing out how GGG has more options at 160 along with HBO's backing than Ward does at 168 with limited opponents and a new jack promoter who is still trying to get his foot in the door.

Basically Ward needs GGG more than GGG needs Ward. That coupled with GGG being a bigger revenue generator makes him the A-side. I see Canelo stepping up to the plate to face off with GGG if he beats Cotto. That fight is a big $ maker. GGG vs Lemiuex is also a great fight to be made and Oscar already stated that he's on board with making that fight happen.

[Eastcoast]

how is fighting at 164 or 166 an advantage for ward?

The CW is ment to take an edge off Ward's size & strength advantage, especially since his goal to maul Golovkin. I doubt 166 would have much impact on Andre, where I'm sure 164 would complicate his training camp. That said, he & Hunter have said the weight cut is easy to make so he'd likely rehydrate to normal condition and still be the bigger man.

Unless Ward believes he can make a CW and still be near 100% on fight night, there won't be a CW. It comes down to money then. The idea of this being a 50/50 negotiation is absurd.

[MrRolltide91]

good read...

[SAN D13GO VILLAN]

Here we go with pulling out The Race Card again.... Is actually pretty simple to see why people are complaining, nothing to do with race, finally when we think that the Cold War between 2 of the biggest promoters ( top rank & golden boy) here come another power house promoter that won't do business with the other big promoters..... In other words I'm tired of fights no been made because of ****** promoters acting like divas!!! I don't give a F... What color they are!!!!

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Alan Haymon

From the promoters standpoint they're afraid they're gonna lose business. From the media standpoint they play favorites. From the fans standpoint a lot of it is racism. Just listen to their excuses when they complain.

1. How can PBC be substainable
They've never cared about boxing companies making or losing money. But when it comes to Haymon all of a sudden they're financial experts.

2. There's to much boxing on tv. It's becoming saturated.
To many fights? So we should go back to 20 fights a year on HBO and SHO?

3. What's gonna happen to the fighters when Haymon runs out of money?
They don't care about the fighters. If they did they'd donate to funds set up for retired boxers.

4. He's paying the fighters to much.
How do you know they're paying to much? You're basing your opinion on what other companies paid. How do you know they aren't paying fighters to little? Perfect example is Floyd asking Arum for $20 mil to fight ODLH and Arum said that's not possible. One year later Floyd made $25 million fighting Oscar. If you can't see the promoters books you don't know who's being overpaid or underpaid

5. Tickets are to cheap
I swear to God I heard a guy call in to a podcast and complain that his tickets to the Thurman fight were on $70.

Any complaints they have I can guarantee HBO, SHO,Arum & ODLH have done the same thing. They have ZERO valid points against Haymon.