should naz be rated alongside or above Barrera and morales as ATG

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  • DreamerUSA
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    #11
    Originally posted by FrankieBruno
    Naz wud have beat Morales

    Barrera was lucky Naz hands were shot
    I seriously doubt he beats Morales and as far as Barrera goes. Naz could of had steel plates in his gloves and it would'nt of changed the outcome of that fight. Barrera beat the wheels off him.

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    • therealpugilist
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      #12
      Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
      I'm a Naz fan but Barerra and Morales are on another level...
      What puts them on another level? Because they had a rivalry?

      Is less fights he beat just as many champions, more lineal title defenses, beat a prime or near prime Kevin Kelley

      Who did they beat that was so great? Morales beat Manny, Barrera beat naz himself and they beat each other

      They didn't beat overall better fighters

      Naz beat future hall of famer wilfredo Vazquez Sr, prime Kelly, vuyani bungu, and longtime champ boom boom Johnson



      Barrera got his butt kicked by Jr Jones twice... If he and naz fought that day it wouldn't have went past 5 rounds



      People really overrate Barrera n morales

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        #13
        Below...
        Barrera clearly beat him n morales

        Morales beat Barrera and manny

        Prince is hall of fame, but not atg

        Morales n Barrera are borderline atg

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          #14
          Originally posted by DreamerUSA
          I seriously doubt he beats Morales and as far as Barrera goes. Naz could of had steel plates in his gloves and it would'nt of changed the outcome of that fight. Barrera beat the wheels off him.
          If they fought in the 90s I'd pick naz to win...he depended on his power n didn't have the desire he had in the 00s


          Barrera outboxed him...didn't drop him or hurt him....it trips me out how people act like Barrera put a beating on him....he was smart enough to not be reckless n box...that was no beating no wheels off....Barrera vs Paulie Ayala is beating the wheels off a guy

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            #15
            Barrera seen to it that Naseem is not rated alongside him.

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              #16
              Originally posted by therealpugilist
              What puts them on another level? Because they had a rivalry?

              Is less fights he beat just as many champions, more lineal title defenses, beat a prime or near prime Kevin Kelley

              Who did they beat that was so great? Morales beat Manny, Barrera beat naz himself and they beat each other

              They didn't beat overall better fighters

              Naz beat future hall of famer wilfredo Vazquez Sr, prime Kelly, vuyani bungu, and longtime champ boom boom Johnson



              Barrera got his butt kicked by Jr Jones twice... If he and naz fought that day it wouldn't have went past 5 rounds



              People really overrate Barrera n morales
              Barrera beat Kennedy McKinney, Morales twice, Rocky Juarez twice, Naz, Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelly, Paulie Ayala. That is far more high quality wins than Naz. Also why even bring up Junior Jones? Did Naz fight him? No, so your claim is nothing but speculation. Besides sometimes a guy just has your number and it is'nt like he was a bum lol.

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                #17
                Originally posted by therealpugilist
                If they fought in the 90s I'd pick naz to win...he depended on his power n didn't have the desire he had in the 00s


                Barrera outboxed him...didn't drop him or hurt him....it trips me out how people act like Barrera put a beating on him....he was smart enough to not be reckless n box...that was no beating no wheels off....Barrera vs Paulie Ayala is beating the wheels off a guy
                I did'nt mean it in the sense that he turned him into a bloody pulp. I meant it in the sense that it was easy work, not competitive etc. The scorecards were justifiably wide and Barrera was deducted a point in the fight. Naz got his ass whooped. Plain and simple.

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                • twrx
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                  #18
                  Morales Barrera both beat any versiin of naz. Prince was really good not atg good. Barrera morales are legends for sure and in the talks of atgs

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by FrankieBruno
                    Naz wud have beat Morales

                    Barrera was lucky Naz hands were shot
                    Erik Morales, who beat Barrera and Manny Pacquio when he was Pacman, sure. Keep your fantasy fights dude, that's all you have with Naz who lost to the only ATG he faced.

                    One eyed, shot to pieces, out of shape, out of division Morales took Maidana's best punches and nearly beat him.

                    The only think Naz beats Maidana at is running to the buffet.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by therealpugilist
                      Naz was the greatest featherweight of the last 20 years, cleaned out his era in the 90s....was a title holder 6 years and lineal several of those years

                      In 37 fights he fought 10 champs beat 9 of them and held every major title at his weight

                      He oft gets overlooked or forgotten but was one the most dominant featherweight champions of all time


                      He doesn't get the respect as Barrera, morales, PAC, and jmm...maybe because he is British n was brash
                      Naz is a top 10 featherweight, all time!

                      But he can't be ranked above Barrera and Morales when looking at career achievements, titles and overall skill level, dedication and longevity, which are all measures of greatness.

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