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  • Originally posted by Barcham View Post
    Ward has not defended his SMW title for over 18 months and should be stripped. When was the last time Floyd defended his 154 title? He should be stripped but will soon be vacating them so that is fine with me.



    WBC have only granted Cotto permission to fight Canelo IF both he and Canelo both sign a guarantee that the winner fights GGG AND IF GGG agrees to step aside. As of yet, GGG has not agreed and no guarantee has been signed. This has been directly stated by Sulaiman and repeated by Loeffler. If such a guarantee is not given, along with other considerations, Golovkin will force Cotto to be stripped of the title. Do you wish me to post the video of the Monroe post fight press conference again? Or the one of Sulaiman stating the situation? I will gladly do so.

    As a champion title holder, Cotto is obliged to abide by his mandatory defense after ONE voluntary defense. That voluntary defense is against Geale, he needs special permission for a second one against Canelo, a fighter who does not even qualify for a middleweight title shot.
    Did you miss the article where WBC "clarified" its stance on the matter? Golovkin doesnt have to accept the step aside money and the canelo fight will still happen. Sucks but its WBC what else would you expect.

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    • Originally posted by Craveman View Post
      I missed out "has" he improved. Regardless, he must have learnt something from fighting Lara and Kirkland.
      What we learned from those fights is that Canelo still can't cut off the ring and he did was he was supposed to do against kirkland. Even tho ishida did it in 1 round.

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      • Originally posted by kafkod View Post
        Two bull**** posts by 2 guys who either have no clue about how crucial weight is to the outcome of a boxing match or are so full of resentment at GGG's success that it's turned them into trolls.

        Whatever weight Geale comes in at, he will have had to boil himself down to 157 for the weigh in, and that will affect his performance.

        If the CW wasn't important, why did Cotto insist on having it before agreeing to fight Geale?

        Until he fights and beats a top 160lb fighter, at 160lbs, Cotto is a paper champion and a pretender at MW.
        You have completely missed the point, despite having it clearly explained to you.

        Way to quibble over nothing.

        Even IF that win is held in higher regard, it does not make Golovkins resume that much better than Cotto's at 160, so you are crying over nothing.

        OK, fine..... so the Geale win is better for Golovkin - which I have already agreed anyway - so, what does that mean ?

        It means that despite not being a genuine middleweight, and despite only fighting at MW for just a few months..... Cotto - IF he beats Geale - will have a win under his belt that is nearly as good as Golovkins..... and this is despite Golovkin a) being a genuine middleweight b) fighting at 160 for 9 years c) being this supposed killer.....

        If you had any common-sense you would see that it took Cotto 5 minutes to get a slightly inferior win to Hypekin at 160..... , and this is despite Golovkin a) being a genuine middleweight b) fighting at 160 for 9 years c) being this supposed killer.....

        It sounds to me like you are just like most of the Golovkin bandwagon..... casual fans, drunk on power, who cant see that Hypeking is a very well-managed fighter who has achieved not that much more than a guy who has been campaigning at 160 for 5 minutes and is not even a genuine middleweight.

        We get it, you love you some Golovkin, and hate Cotto..... good for you ^^

        Two things are clear..... hypejob, and casual-fan...... I will leave it there.

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        • Originally posted by bigjavi973 View Post
          Did you miss the article where WBC "clarified" its stance on the matter? Golovkin doesnt have to accept the step aside money and the canelo fight will still happen. Sucks but its WBC what else would you expect.
          You must have misread that article. In it, it states clearly that there must be a written guarantee for the winner to fight Golovkin. As you brought it up, I will gladly wait for you to produce it to prove your point.

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          • Also, kayod.....

            I consider myself very knowledgable regarding weight, weight manipulation.

            The trend of blurring lines between divisons is lowering the standards within boxing, I have been very vocal about that, so your earlier comment "interests" me.

            In fact, it more than interests me.

            I would very much like to spend a lot of time discussing this with you, and today happens to be good for me.

            I just dont take Cotto seriously at middleweight, he clearly isnt one, and he is not that far away from retirement..... so its no big deal to me.

            Lets start with Pacquiaos career.....

            There are two reasons why I suggest that we start with Pacquiao 1) because he is the best recent example of blatant weight manipulation 2) because my pac-tardation radar is bleeping loudly.

            I am very interested in discussing manny-weight, because that will enable me to see how seriously you take your - most likely adjustable - standards.

            Before we examine the 5 fights in question, lets quickly discuss one other.....

            What do you think of Pacs win over Hoya ?

            How highly do you rate that win ?

            How much credit do you give Manny ?

            You completely missed an obvious point, and you did it intentionally, just to win a debate...... you made a BIG deal out of the catchweight, to minimise Cottos potential win/loss..... and you did it to make Hypekin appear to have a significantly better resume, despite beating the exact same fkn guy......way to miss the point genius.

            Hypekin is regarded as a killer, and has 9 years at 160 under his belt.

            Not only is Cotto not a killer, he is not even a middleweight..... so the fact that you are quibbling over a catchweight, instead of giving me a HUGE list of superior names that Hypekin has beaten..... is pathetic, and tells the whole story.

            Lets have that weight-debate now..... we can get back to Golovkin/Cotto.

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            • Originally posted by PeasantCrusha View Post
              If Cotto retired last year, he would still be a HOF fighter. Canelo and GGG would be icing on the cake and notches closer to ATG status but not necessary for Cotto's place in the sport. 4 division champion who fought them all and did it his way.


              "Miguel Cotto will not be manipulated by little kids on a forum...Miguel Cotto will give you what Miguel Cotto gives you..."

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              • Originally posted by Barcham View Post
                You must have misread that article. In it, it states clearly that there must be a written guarantee for the winner to fight Golovkin. As you brought it up, I will gladly wait for you to produce it to prove your point.
                http://www.boxingscene.com/sulaiman-...ace-ggg--91259

                Nowhere in the article does is state that there "must be a written guarantee for the winner to fight GGG".

                It does say that the winner of the Cotto-Canelo fight is "obligated" to fight GGG next.

                But like I said previously its the WBC so what else do you expect.

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                • Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
                  If Cotto fights Canelo before he fights Golovkin..... that is fine.

                  In fact, if Cotto fights Canelo, and does not fight Golovkin, that is also fine.

                  Oh, unless having double-standards is considered being reasonable ?

                  FACT: Cotto is a legend, who is at the end of his career

                  FACT: Golovkin is not a legend, and is not at the end of his career

                  Based on that.....

                  FACT: Cotto has earned the right to take PPV fights if offered, GGG has not

                  So, Golovkin can fight Froch, and duck Ward, despite NOT being a legend..... and yet the legend Cotto, does not have the right to take a PPV payday that he spent his lifetime earning?

                  You Golovkin fanboys just love that Russian meat huh ?

                  Funny shht that Hypekin can cherry-pick a payday, but Cotto cant.

                  Funny shht !
                  This is the dumbest, deperate post I've ever read. So basically Cotto holding the belts as hostage to remain relevant and to use it as leverage for better and less risky paydays. Whilst he ducks his WBC mandatory and picks easier less-popular opponent named Geale.

                  What does Geale bring to table? Clearly not as much as Golovkin. Like it or not, Golovkin is a rising star and Cotto knows there is no way he can beat Golovkin hence the obvious duck.

                  And what double standards?
                  Golovkin isn't ducking Ward because Ward wants couple of tune ups before facing anyone elite.

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                  • Originally posted by bigjavi973 View Post
                    http://www.boxingscene.com/sulaiman-...ace-ggg--91259

                    Nowhere in the article does is state that there "must be a written guarantee for the winner to fight GGG".

                    It does say that the winner of the Cotto-Canelo fight is "obligated" to fight GGG next.

                    But like I said previously its the WBC so what else do you expect.
                    It's a shame Cotto is stooping low to WBC's level.

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                    • Originally posted by bigjavi973 View Post
                      What we learned from those fights is that Canelo still can't cut off the ring and he did was he was supposed to do against kirkland. Even tho ishida did it in 1 round.
                      But he still beat them as it says on record and I am sure he knows that he has to work on cutting off the ring. Almost a year gone past since Lara fight and this year Canelo is better than last year. Remember Canelo is still very young and still learning.

                      As for Kirland fight, I viewed that as 50-50 fight like I did for Martinez-Cotto. If you say Canelo was suppose to beat Kirkland, I can easily say Cotto was supposed to beat bad knee Martinez.

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