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  • #71
    I have this doubt for a long time.
    Why does boxrec say this
    "For many years all the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as being by disqualification....
    This has since been changed to a knockout victory for Chavez, based on confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan that it altered the verdict the following day.
    Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez, happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time."
    The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 341.
    The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 341.

    "On April 3 of that year, when he was 11-0, Chavez fought Miguel Ruiz at Culiacan. At or shortly after the bell ending the first round, Chavez apparently knocked out Ruiz. The referee declared Chavez the loser on a first-round disqualification. "

    "It was officially overturned the next day by the Culiacan Commission and changed to a KO-1 for Chavez," Yalen said. "The official reason was that the commission ruled Chavez had not hit the guy after the bell, as the referee ruled. I also found out that Chavez's manager, (the late) Ramon Felix, was on the Culiacan commission at the time.

    Ralph Citro of Blackwood, N.Y., who publishes an annual boxing record book, Computer Boxing Update, calls Chavez 67-1.

    "The referee disqualified Chavez in that fight, and that's how I've always carried it," he said. "I got it from a very good Culiacan source that that reversal was wrong, that it should never have happened."
    Last edited by oc9979; 05-21-2015, 05:52 PM.

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    • #72
      Guess it depends on the context.

      "48 fights, 48 wins, 0 losses" =/= "51 fights 0 losses 1 draw"

      Although some of them probably aren't aware of Finito Lopez anyways.

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      • #73
        The posts in this thread are worse than all histories combined genocide.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
          The great Mexican fighter Ricardo "Finito" Lopez retired undefeated with a record of 51-0 with one draw.

          I'm surprised that long time boxing writers and fans don't correct the talking heads about this whenever they bring up Floyd breaking Marciano's mark.
          He doesn't have a flawless record.

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          • #75
            Being 51-0 should never be forgotten. But to the people saying that the draw is a blemish on an otherwise perfect record ...I can see your point.
            Last edited by ShoulderRoll; 05-21-2015, 10:19 PM.

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            • #76
              Has to retire a champ
              Has to be undefeated in 50+ contests with no other blemish on record

              ^^^^^ Those are the criteria.. simple right? Not for NSB it isn't.
              No other fighter has retired an undefeated Champion with 50 fights period. END THE FOOKIN THREAD.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by MindBat View Post
                Joe Louis was 103 years old.

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                he was 37 and had won 10 fights in the past year

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                • #78
                  Gushing over Marciano's undefeated record is casual boxing fan talk.

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